Kenneth R.
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that totally rules. if i ever get married that's going on the cake. or something even more metal.
Who wants their voice on DT's new album?
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Well I obviously got in a bit late on this thread but oh well. I think this is just another example of DT trying to franticly catch up with the rest of the genre and then trying to pass it off as innovation. Pain of Salvation already did this fan interaction thing 2 years ago having the answering machine messages on their "Be" album. DT fans were also praising DT for being "innovators in the genre" when they had real strings on the Octavarium album, something bands like Nightwish, PoS, and Therion have been doing for years. It looks to me that DT has finally realized that they are no longer spearheading the genre's musical direction and they have some catching up to do.
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You can't put DT in the same genre as Nightwish and Therion and PoS... Nightwish and Therion are both Operatic-prog-power-metal and Pos are just gay... 
(j/k, but I don't like them very much...) Dream Theater WERE innovators of the progressive-metal genre, but strings aren't really that innovative anyway... They sound great, but yeah bands have been doing it for years, and it's not DT's fault, they just use them cos it sounds good...
(j/k, but I don't like them very much...) Dream Theater WERE innovators of the progressive-metal genre, but strings aren't really that innovative anyway... They sound great, but yeah bands have been doing it for years, and it's not DT's fault, they just use them cos it sounds good...
Kenneth R.
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i'm glad you capped the keyword.
i do like them, but this is undeniably true. at least, at this point. we'll see what this 9th album does for them.
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Or maybe they're just doing what they feel like when they feel like it. It could be that simple.
yeah, what idiots are calling theme innovators? they would certainly not use that term to describe what they're doing. I don't know if they ever would have. Innovation is a word that gets thrown around ALOT nowadays. its takes alot for something to be innovative.
DT are just having fun writing/recording/playing together. I'm still enjoying a decent amount of their output, to some extent.
DT are just having fun writing/recording/playing together. I'm still enjoying a decent amount of their output, to some extent.
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You can't put DT in the same genre as Nightwish and Therion and PoS... Nightwish and Therion are both Operatic-prog-power-metal and Pos are just gay...
Well that was exactly my point, sure they may have been innovative in the genre, but not anymore. Now they seem to be scrambling to keep up and I feel they are being out played by a lot of younger more creative bands. The same thing happened to Metallica, they were kings of the genre (Heavy Metal) for a long period of time, but instead of leading the charge they got a bit self conscious and made some really stupid moves trying to emulate other younger bands (St. Anger). Well Dream Theater has done the same thing, they tried to take a more Nu Metal approach with "Train of Thought" instead of just doing their own thing. They started using real strings on "Octavarium" (which also had direct take offs of bands like U2 and Megadeth, why?), instead of doing their own thing. Now it appears they are doing these fan interactions just like PoS did, instead of doing their own thing. So now instead of getting albums like "Scenes from a..." that are like nothing anyone has heard we are just getting take offs of things we have heard many times before. I feel that if DT doesn't start just playing and writing their own style of musc they are going to be completely eclipsed by bands like Symphony X, PoS, and now Circus Maximus (whose debut album was far superior musically to any other band's debut album I have herad) which are writing their own completely unique music. Just my humble opinion, but I am sticking by it.
First off, IMO, Adagio's debut album, Sanctus Ignis by far blows The 1st Chapter out of the water. Both are amazing albums, but Sactus Ignis is above so many bands, even some of Symphony X's material cowers in fear of that album. In short, Sanctus Ignis = Best Debut album ever.
Second off, just because a band wants to do something doesn't mean that they're any less respectable. It could be as simple as Rose said, in that they just wanna write what they wanna write. Are they not allowed to do stuff that's been done before? Is there some clause in the Constitution which forbids this?
And never put Dream Theater in the same category as Nightwish ever again.
Now that I think about it, you remind me of SKnight, this dude who we collectively owned in the other DT thread. The two of you both completely ignore the fact that bands are allowed to try something new.
Second off, just because a band wants to do something doesn't mean that they're any less respectable. It could be as simple as Rose said, in that they just wanna write what they wanna write. Are they not allowed to do stuff that's been done before? Is there some clause in the Constitution which forbids this?
And never put Dream Theater in the same category as Nightwish ever again.
Now that I think about it, you remind me of SKnight, this dude who we collectively owned in the other DT thread. The two of you both completely ignore the fact that bands are allowed to try something new.
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They've been doing 'their own thing' since the start. Fuck, you're not the one who decides what other bands are supposed to sound like.
STFU and GTFO.
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Dream Theater arguments make me laugh really hard. I remember when I wasted my time over them, being that I used to be one of the biggest DT fanboys on the planet. Now I just observe, and it's very entertaining!
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DT debates are great!!! I hate it when people try saying DT are taking a nu-metal approach, DT couldn't be nu-metal if they tried, nu-metal is far to gay to even be in the prescence of DT...
The guy is entitled to his opinion (Hey Tubbs, how funny is they debate going on at the Opeth forum...
) it might not be anywhere near accurate, but I don't think we should abuse him for it... Chastize yes, abuse no.
The guy is entitled to his opinion (Hey Tubbs, how funny is they debate going on at the Opeth forum...
) it might not be anywhere near accurate, but I don't think we should abuse him for it... Chastize yes, abuse no.
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Well first you say, aren't bands allowed to do stuff that's been done before, but then you contradict yourself by saying I am blasting DT for "trying something new"? Make up your mind man, are they doing something unorginal or trying something new?
Of course there is no law against a band doing something unoriginal, but then I'd have to say DT is only Heavy Metal then, because if you only write stuff that's been done before how could you ever be part of the "Progressive Metal" movement? Look up the word progressive you'll get what I mean.
Don't worry, I won't compare Nightwish to DT anymore, I have too much respect for Nightwish, good call. I can at least appreciate the vocals on their albums.
I'll be honest, I used to be a DT fan, until I realized the majority of their fans are narrow-minded and will stand by DT even if they "tried something new" and sampled some Panic at the Disco.
So yeah, love DT you guys, worship the ground they walk on, you have that right. However you all look a bit foolish putting them on a pedistol for donig what's already been done before. As for me, I am not going to call myself a DT fan again until they make me say, "wow" like they used to, rather than "Is that 'the Edge' playing that riff?".
