why do you think minorities are less receptive towards extreme metal?

[metal_wrath]

At least tell me you've been there?

I was basing my statement on the lack of decency which one can witness on your sitcoms, which are rampant with crude sexual dialogue which isn't censored, things like that would not even be allowed in US television. Also the UK seems to be less sexually restrictive than the US. The UK has been at the forefront of the Medeival age, which has seen countless atrocities committed under your monarchy, including barbaric crusades, killing of all opposition, conquest, bad food, execution of such heroic figures as Joan of Arc, corrupt religious institutions. Also your country still is partly a monarchy, which proves that you are stuck in your ways. Also CHAVS

 

[Mythos Inibri]

I'm not less receptive to extreme metal!
I fucking love extreme metal,just not all of it.

 

[Life Sucks]

I'm not less receptive to extreme metal!
I fucking love extreme metal,just not all of it.

What minority are you? If you're hispanic, and particularly if you're Asian, being a metalhead is nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[cookiecutter]

I think the obvious reason for this is that a higher standard of living allows more people to spend on luxuries like musical instruments and lessons, and these things are much more readily available. I wonder how hard it is to get decent gear in a lot of countries. Apparently it's not that hard anywhere in Europe, or the majority of bands there are just people who came from rich families.

This is what I was trying to get at before. To say that their are very few African metal bands because African people are black is silly.

 

[Demilich]

Sorry, next time I'll be sure to go into a self-righteous spasm as soon as someone disagrees with me, that seems to give your posts plenty of substance.

Just a hint, you might want to try to stick to the issues and not go for ad hominem nonsense like this! When people post things I disagree with, I respond most often in a civil manner aimed at provoking thought and stirring discussion. Understandably enough, I simply asked you for an explanation and recieved an utterly baseless tirade about myself being self-righteous?

Remember my original post where I talked about blame? Your response indicated that blame wasn't the issue for you. If that is the case, why do you continue to pursue this avenue of discussion? You're warping my words into something wholly different than what I originally stated.


Also, are you proposing that we somehow attempt to make every single ethnic group on this earth culpable for every wrongdoing of their ancestors?

 

[Necro Joe]

When people post things I disagree with, I respond most often in a civil manner aimed at provoking thought and stirring discussion. Understandably enough, I simply asked you for an explanation and recieved an utterly baseless tirade about myself being self-righteous?

No you responded by saying my 'hollow rhetoric' pisses you off (as is characteristic of many of your posts where things are blown out of proportion to suit your argument) and raised a separate issue to the one I was dealing with in my post for me to talk about. So no I don't think my attack was unjustified in the slightest.

Remember my original post where I talked about blame? Your response indicated that blame wasn't the issue for you. If that is the case, why do you continue to pursue this avenue of discussion?

Well what you're suggesting here (that since I disagree about the importance of individual blame in this instance I should stop discussing the topic) doesn't make any logical sense but if you'd read my last post you'll see I've dropped the issue anyway since I think don't want to add yet another badly thought out opinion to a thread which is overflowng with them.

You're warping my words into something wholly different than what I originally stated.

No I'm not, but you are doing that to me here:

Also, are you proposing that we somehow attempt to make every single ethnic group on this earth culpable for every wrongdoing of their ancestors?

 

[Demilich]

edit: fuck this, I'm re-doing this post once I read over the conversation again

So basically, here's how things shook down:

- I responded to Scourge of Malice saying that I think it's "fucking stupid" to blame white descendents for the actions of their ancestors.
- You quoted me and said "Its not about blame..." but blame is what I was discussing, not obligation, not anything else, just that it isn't fair to outright blame descendents for their ancestors acts. There is nothing condescending about voicing my opinion on this.
- I asked you to explain yourself about what you think the implications of the ancestor's actions on the descendents actually were
- You - in one post - condemn me harshly for using the words "fucking stupid" in above posts, while at the same time busting out this little gem:

Sorry, next time I'll be sure to go into a self-righteous spasm as soon as someone disagrees with me, that seems to give your posts plenty of substance.

- I advise you to cut the personal attacks and focus on the issues, once again asking an honest question followed by a question mark denoting that I want some information from you
- You decline to answer and instead continue to blow off steam.

What's the deal here?

Also, are you proposing that we somehow attempt to make every single ethnic group on this earth culpable for every wrongdoing of their ancestors?

Also, I'll keep waiting for an answer to this question. Honestly, try to convince yourself that its just a question and that any other meaning you lend to it is nothing more than a figment of your overly active imagination.

 

[Necro Joe]

- I responded to Scourge of Malice saying that I think it's "fucking stupid" to blame white descendents for the actions of their ancestors.
- You quoted me and said "Its not about blame..." but blame is what I was discussing, not obligation, not anything else, just that it isn't fair to outright blame descendents for their ancestors acts. There is nothing condescending about voicing my opinion on this.

Well I thought you were implying no blame = no obligation, so if that isn't what you think I misunderstood the motivation behind your post.

- I asked you to explain yourself about what you think the implications of the ancestor's actions on the descendents actually were
- You - in one post - condemn me harshly for using the words "fucking stupid" in above posts, while at the same time busting out this little gem:

I was responding to the hostility and arrogance I still find in your phrase 'this kind of hollow rhetoric pisses me off' which makes it sound like I'm grandstanding or berating you when all I was aiming for was to voice the opinion that post-colonial obligation is more complicated than notions of blame. Perhaps the initial misunderstanding (and refusal to elaborate) on my part are to blame but I don't back away from the comments I've made, I think you resort far too easily to belittling language and angry tirades when there is no need (as can also be seen in the 'heaviest metal' thread) and maybe because of that prior opinion I overreacted in my responce.

Also, I'll keep waiting for an answer to this question. Honestly, try to convince yourself that its just a question and that any other meaning you lend to it is nothing more than a figment of your overly active imagination.

I'm not sure what you mean by this? I've not stated anywhere that I think you're trying to trick me, just that I am not willing to have this converstion as I'm not well enough informed. Your leading questions make it seem like you have an argument all worked out that you want to have with me and as I said two posts ago I'm not interested, sorry.

I regret starting this argument since (as usual with me, its a bad habit) its over conduct and semantics rather than issues. If you like I will spend a while thinking about the questions you asked and PM you some answers (since otherwise this was an utter waste of both our time) but right now I'll be happy to let this go.

 

[Demilich]

Lets just let it go. All I wanted was to stick to what was said all along and not make assumptions. That is why, when an assumption comes to mind, I ask a question to avoid the problem of

Well I thought you were implying no blame = no obligation, so if that isn't what you think I misunderstood the motivation behind your post.

this kind of thing happening in the first place.

As for that heaviest metal band thread, all I did was defend my opinion to like another kind of heaviness than the one other posters mentioned. I did not imply that other posters were "wrong" to like what they like or that my opinion had any more weight or validity than theirs. I think all this is based on innacurate assumptions about my posting and the reasoning behind it rather than the posting itself, much like our altercation in this thread.

Like I've been saying all along, could've been a lot easier if you came to the table with an open mind, ready and willing to discuss rather than react. Sure, I said your rhetoric pissed me off, but that shouldn't really be a problem as long as I'm willing to discuss the issue with you.

 

[AgoliantLives]

Lets see, the Jews now have an entire country because of the Holocaust, African Americans obtain affirmative action and government, educational and medical benefits because of their history of slavery, Africa and developing countries gets billions of dollars in aid in foreign and UN assistance. Yes, they continue to languish in poverty partly because of European oppression, but formally children of oppressed heritage born into these countries have far better opportunities than common migrants have.

+1

 

[Necro Joe]

@ Demilich: My refusal to discuss couldn't be less motivated by closed-mindedness but I suppose I can understand why it would come across that way. I'm perfectly happy to tear someone down for what they've said and discuss plainly with them at the same time, its just that here I bowed out of the latter argument while continuing the former, which was never going to end well really.

 

[Demilich]

Understandable. As usual when I get into one of these big arguments with someone, we end up understanding each other a bit better, I think. Worked with Reign in Acai, V.V.V.V.V., and probably others

So no hard feelings?

 

[Necro Joe]

None. Lets follow the smoke to the riff filled land and pretend this never happened.

NP: Dopesmoker

 

[Demilich]

perfect except I only have Holy Mountain and Jerusalem

NP: Kyuss - Asteroid

 

[AgoliantLives]

The Portuguese were equally, if not more oppressive to the lands they colonized. But yeah, the British and the Portuguese rank at the top.

All races have enslaved, tortured, stole, murdered, and raped people of other races, but the White race is the only one held responsible. During the rape of Nanking, Japanese soldiers did things to people that go far beyond what Whites have done, including ripping out fetuses of women and putting them on pikes. Japs are known for their heinous torture techniques. Mao is responsible for millions of peoples' deaths in the name of communism. The Soviet Union killed anywhere from 28 to 60 million Whites under the communist regime. Whatever the exact number, it's a lot more then the jewish claim of six million, which even Red Cross reports contradict. Africans are in a constant state of civil war, murdering and enslaving anyone, including children. Whites are paying for our past abuses. No other race has done this. Jews owe us reparations for all the Whites murdered in the Soviet Union, which has been proven, unlike some of the crazy claims of the "holocaust."

As far as African countries being rich before Whites arrived: I agree Whites should never have interfered with blacks. We wouldn’t have to support them in the U.S. or their own countries and blacks wouldn’t have the option of holding Whites accountable for their own shortcomings.

 

[Necro Joe]

@ Demilich again: On the subject of stoner-style-stuff do you have a copy of the Madking Ludwig album? I love the samples I've heard but can't find anywhere reasonable that ships to the UK.

 

[Demilich]

@ Demilich again: On the subject of stoner-style-stuff do you have a copy of the Madking Ludwig album? I love the samples I've heard but can't find anywhere reasonable that ships to the UK.

I don't have it, no. And I would have liked to have picked it up at some point because it did sound pretty interesting.

Try asking around Royal Carnage, esp. Doomcifer should be able to help.

 

[Papa Josh]

I think it basically boils down to environment and surroundings.

Otherwise, how in the hell do you explain the guitarist and drummer of Suffocation, vocalist for Sepultura, Living Colour, dude from God Forbid, etc, etc....

 

[Pessimism]

This thread =

 

[cookiecutter]

Jews owe us reparations for all the Whites murdered in the Soviet Union, which has been proven, unlike some of the crazy claims of the "holocaust.

You have good music taste but this kind of talk is just silly. The holocaust happened. Jews, gays, and other minorities were slaughtered by the millions. Yes, Stalin and the Soviet Union killed more people, a fact that is sadly fairly unknown in many parts. But blaming the Soviet Union's actions on the Jews is just ludicrous, as is denying that the holocaust happened.