your lyrics suck..

[tatuued]

i wonder how many times a day in all the forums and all the chat rooms in all the world are punctuation and typing errors confronted and with such snide force after which i can visualize most patting themselves on the back for being so clever.. now i know this is the trivial trend of attack and you are doing you.re best to avoid the subject which you seem to have no coherent points to make.. because this is not my attempt to dazzle you with my creative writing ability.. but.. i.m not the one that has crowds of fans bowing down spending their money on my efforts and telling me i.m great when i.m doing a half ass job at what they.re paying me for.. i.m just making a point of this which no one seems to be giving as much effort into arguing as they are attacking my (yes pretentious) misuse of our linguistic symbols..

i didn.t say all metal.. but i did say most.. most music for that matter.. all i wonder is why this is..

 

[Susperia]

So if you're only wondering why... go to the Philosophy board.

 

[Imp!]

i wonder how many times a day in all the forums and all the chat rooms in all the world are punctuation and typing errors confronted and with such snide force after which i can visualize most patting themselves on the back for being so clever.. now i know this is the trivial trend of attack and you are doing you.re best to avoid the subject which you seem to have no coherent points to make.. because this is not my attempt to dazzle you with my creative writing ability.. but.. i.m not the one that has crowds of fans bowing down spending their money on my efforts and telling me i.m great when i.m doing a half ass job at what they.re paying me for.. i.m just making a point of this which no one seems to be giving as much effort into arguing as they are attacking my (yes pretentious) misuse of our linguistic symbols..

i didn.t say all metal.. but i did say most.. most music for that matter.. all i wonder is why this is..

I didn't avoid the subject, I gave you the answer straight out. And as for being clever, yeah some are being dicks, I was at first, I'll admit it. But as much as you don't like that, we don't like reading crappily constructed posts that are incomprehendable (hope that's a word, lol). Give us some nice post, we give you no trouble. By the way, it's more construction, I couldn't give a shit about typing errors or misspellings, one big long post with no caps or seperations is difficult to read.

Now on the subject, what type of thought provoking lyrics are you looking for, as far as I know there is a plethora out there for you to explore, try Neil Young (and all his bands), Metallica actually has some awesome lyrics, Iron Maiden has some neat historic ones, CCR, man there's tons of great lyrics in tons of bands, did you just wake up and think System of a Down or Slipknot are the only bands on the planet that you can find? Trust me, they are out there, just look.

 

[tatuued]

God, I hate typing normal. My errors and long-windedness are not meant to annoy, I always type like that. Forgive my lack of forum grace.

Bands who catch my attention lyrically as i said before would be: Tool, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Pig Destroyer. Or even older, since some old stuff was mentioned: I respect The Doors.

I think the standards aren't kept high enough. But if lyrics don't matter (atleast not as much as the music) than why not admit defeat and not even pretend to try? Be like Sigur Ros and just hum.

 

[Teh Grimace]

Nick Cave - Papa Won't Leave You, Henry


I went out walking the other day
The wind hung wet around my neck
My head it rung with screams and groans
From the night I spent amongst her bones
I past beside the mission house
Where that mad old buzzard, the reverend,
Shrieked and flapped about life after your dead
Well, I thought about my friend, Michel
How they rolled him in linoleum
And shot him in the neck
A bloody halo, like a think-bubble
Circling his head
And I bellowed at the firmament
Looks like the rains are hear to stay
And the rain pissed down upon me
And washed me all away
Saying

(chor.)

Papa won't leave you, Henry
Papa won't leave you, Boy
Papa won't leave you, Henry
Papa won't leave you, Boy
Well, the road is long
And the road is hard
And many fall by the side
But Papa won't leave you, Henry
So there ain't no need to cry

And I went on down the road
He went on down the road
And I went on down the road
He went on down the road

(-chor.)

Well, the moon it looked exhausted
Like something you should pity
Spent an age-spotted
Above the sizzling wires of the city
Well, it reminded me of her face
Her bleached and hungry eyes
Her hair was like a curtain
Falling open with the laughter
And closing with the lies
But the ghost of her still lingers on
Though she's passed through me
And is gone
The slum dogs, they are barking
And the rain children on the streets
And the tears that we will weep today
Will all be washed away
By the tears that we will weep again tomorrow

(+chorus)

And I came upon a little house
A little house upon a hill
And I entered through, the curtain hissed
Into the house with its blood-red bowels
Where wet-lipped women with greasy fists
Crawled the ceilings and the walls
They filled me full of drink
And led me round the rooms
Naked and cold and grinning
Until everything went black
And I came down spinning
I awoke so drunk and full of rage
That I could hardly speak
A fag in a whale-bone corset
Draping his dick across my cheek
And its into the shame
And its into a guilt
And its into the fucking fray
And the walls ran red around me
A warm arterial spray

(+chorus)

It's the rainy season where I'm living
Death comes leaping out of every doorway
Wasting you for money, for your clothes
And for your nothing
Entire towns being washed away
Favelas exploding on inflammable spillways
Lynch-mobs, death squads, babies being born without brains
The mad heat and the relentless rains
And if you stick your arm into that hole
It comes out sheared off to the bone
And with her kisses bubbling on my lips
I swiped the rain and nearly missed
And I went on down the road
He went on down the road

(+chor.)

(end)

 

[Imp!]

God, I hate typing normal. My errors and long-windedness are not meant to annoy, I always type like that. Forgive my lack of forum grace.

Bands who catch my attention lyrically as i said before would be: Tool, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Pig Destroyer. Or even older, since some old stuff was mentioned: I respect The Doors.

I think the standards aren't kept high enough. But if lyrics don't matter (atleast not as much as the music) than why not admit defeat and not even pretend to try? Be like Sigur Ros and just hum.

Dude lyrics aren't the only thing suffering in most metal today... I guess all I can tell you is most bands focus on music, and lyrics second. There are some bands that will keep the same lyrical theme in an album, or throughout their careers (Nile), but still it seems that the voice is just another instrument... Lyrics are just like the style of guitar, if you don't like the chugga of nu metal, you gotta look elsewhere, or harder.

No prob man, your postin' fine now.

 

[Shiny McShining Rodriguez]

Thank you for writing clearly.

If the lyrics of Agoraphobic Nosebleed or Pig Destroyer appeal to you then I don't know what you have a problem with. Their lyrics aren't anything special in my opinion. When a band is writing about grotesque themes and screaming them at you then I don't think it's really necessary to make the lyrics at all "flowery", just state the facts, make your point and move on.

All well and good for a lyricist to sit there and write something amazing, I'm sure I would appreciate their effort, but really with some sub-genres of metal, spending a great deal of time on lyrics just seems a bit frivolous. I mean look at grindcore as an exaggerated example. Writing deep and meaningful lyrics just seems like a complete contradiction. I beleive it is the same for a lot of death and other extreme metal as well.

Fair enough if you don't like the way it is, but I think one has to accept the nature of the music. I doubt it's going to change for that reason.

 

[Ender Rises]

Damn, his semi-English is worse then mine used to be. Someone should take him back to remedial puncuation class.
There are tons of great lyrics in metal.
It's wearing on my mind,
I'm speaking all my doubts aloud
You rob a dead mans grave,
Then flaunt it like you did create

If I hit bottom and everythings gone
In the great Mississippi, please drown me and run

It's digging time again,
you're nurturing the weakest trend

Those with the heart and the brain to get past this
Can spot a pathetic without even asking

Fuck your magazine,
and fuck the long dead plastic scene
Pierce a new hole,
if Hell was "in" you'd give your soul

THE GREAT SOUTHERN TRENDKILL
That's right,
THE GREAT SOUTHERN TRENDKILL

Buy it at a store,
from MTV to on the floor
You look just like a star,
it's proof you don't know who you are

If I hit bottom and everythings gone
In the great Mississippi, please drown me and run

It's bullshit time again,
you'll save the world within your trend

Those with the heart and the brain to get past this
Can spot a pathetic without even asking

Politically relieved,
you're product sold and well received
The right words spoken gold,
if I was God you'd sell your soul to...

THE GREAT SOUTHERN TRENDKILL
That's right,
THE GREAT SOUTHERN TRENDKILL

 

[Pull The Plug]

this whole thing started when i was watching some footage of the drummer of cryptopsy and the drummer from vital remains playing solos.. these guys have focused and fully realized ability.. then i look at the words from their respective bands and its like wtf why not just be instrumental project if you.re not going to put equal effort into all parts of the songs.

Lord Worm the lyricist for the majority of Cryptopsy's works studies language, English and so on as a profession. He teaches English. I'd say he knows a thing or two about writing.

He's also very, very intelligent in person.

 

[tatuued]

Knowing about writing and studying language should be manditory if part of your profression is going to be writing and using language. Just because you study a subject does not necessarily mean you're going to be good at utilizing it.

Nick Cave is an example of heartfelt prose. Feeling strongly about what we say is only part of what is necessary for our words to come off as well-defined and focused emotion.

The general sense of apathy that is responding to this point makes me wonder how we ever collectivly rose beyond being content with the 3-chord song. Because lyrically by comparison we are still at the 3-chord level of substance, effort, and standard.

 

[Thraxz]

Unless they are SINGING... who gives a crap? You can barely understand them anyway.

 

[Shiny McShining Rodriguez]

The general sense of apathy that is responding to this point makes me wonder how we ever collectivly rose beyond being content with the 3-chord song. Because lyrically by comparison we are still at the 3-chord level of substance, effort, and standard.

How? Because people value the music more than the lyrics. If you can't accept that then either listen to something else that meets your needs or start some freaking lyrical death movement. Otherwise get over it and move on.

 

[Teh Grimace]

Nick Cave is an example of heartfelt prose.

people who don't like "emotional" songwriting don't understand very much about very many things.

metal lyrics pretty much suck as a rule.

also french people who like Carcass way too much suck.

 

[Pull The Plug]

Knowing about writing and studying language should be manditory if part of your profression is going to be writing and using language. Just because you study a subject does not necessarily mean you're going to be good at utilizing it.

To quote yeself-the-almighty:

"the lyricists need to shut the fuck up for a few years and study literature and language and not be satisfied with first draft highschool level poetry"

Read his actual lyrics.

 

[petehis kahn]

Now come on guy it's a metal song.

Good for songs about death, war and dragons.... not so good on being deep and meaningful.

 

[T.E.A.]

Willhaven, converge and Ion dissonance are good examples of heavy bands using clever, well thought out, emotive lyrics.

I agree that most metal lyrics are cack (especially ones about death, war and dragons. Don't even get me started on the ones about vikings), but that is also the case with pretty much every other genre of music.

I also dislike the intimation that bands have any kind of duty to do anything 'for the fans'. All the best bands make the music that they want to make. As soon as bands start doing what they think 'the kids' will like, they become soulless, sell-out garbage and are no better than any other conveyor belt pop.

The term 'as a fan, I expect' basically means "I went out and of my own free will spent my money on your cd, so now I feel you owe it to me to produce music that I like".

Piffle. If you don't like it, don't listen to it.

 

[WNxScythe]

in the world of extreme metal (though the focus isn.t limited to this genre alone) many of the musicians have obviously honed talent and it.s quite apparent that tons of hours and years of practice were put in to the perfecting of their skills and styles.. but.. almost always the lyrics are p*ss.. across the board.. i mean how many can be said to have an outstanding ways with words without credible doubt or relevant argument .?. many of the players are proven with undeniable evidence to be of tremendous musical talent.. but the writers .?. come on.. if they.re going to demand such excelled and excellent playing for their projects why isn.t there also a demand for high quality of the words being yelled .?. because of course its the vocalists that most are focused on generally speaking.. and it pisses me off.. because as a fan i demand well written words.. and there just isn.t much out there at all.. instrument seminars and music lessons available in every town.. enough to choke the entire human population.. but no ones studying words.. to the ear that listens its obvious that most lyrics are just whipped together with a fraction of time and effort put in to and demanded of the instrumental parts.. in the extreme metal genre the words are obviously often meant to shock (and usually not even a good job of that) barely if ever can these any of these words and phrases be considered advanced or inspiring or profound to any extent.. especially when you hold them up and compare them to the levels of which some have brought themselves to musically.. but i guess the idiot masses are appeased by "f*ck" and "sh*t" and "r*pe" so the writers aren.t going put the same pressure on themselves to put words together with high standards.. but i mean why then even pressure yourself to write good intrumental parts .?. if you.re going to be half-assed do it all the way.. the guitarists and drummers put their time in.. the lyricists need to shut the fuck up for a few years and study literature and language and not be satisfied with first draft highschool level poetry.. the people with minds to discriminate against the mediocre and mundane will notice..

Please edit this and split it into paragraphs!

I totally agree with you, most metal lyrics are completely worthless, and though I care alot more about the music than the lyrics, it'd be very nice to have some well-written poetry to read WITH great music.

 

[Noble Viking]

Some lyrics suck and some are good. The end.

 

[tatuued]

Converge, Ion Dissonance, Cryptopsy are not good examples of well written lyrics. Have we entirely boycotted challenging ourselves beyond the riff and just settled on whatever conveyor belt pop-metal yells loudest. Because the lyrics in most metal is about as deep and challenging as any trite pop lyrics.

Step back and compare words with words. Does anything in this genre or any genre or any modern literature for that matter even come close to challenging the esoteric dance of shakespeare's word? Has any music challenged bach? With the history of different levels of societal evolution it might be assumed that we should be by now far above and beyond where we were in those days and light-years ahead of where we stand now. But have lost our place when we became so informal and lazy and have little idea of how to even challenge ourselves. And the few rays of hope most don't even fully recongnize as significant because they're so foreign to us.

 

[Carcassian]

people who don't like "emotional" songwriting don't understand very much about very many things.

metal lyrics pretty much suck as a rule.

also french people who like Carcass way too much suck.

I'd rather be French than gay, shit-stabber.

EDIT: Actually, I may have to ponder that for a while.

Fuck it, mark me down as a pole-smoker, just don't call me a frenchie