your opinion on bands with hateful messages

[cookiecutter]

I find it funny - that people can listen to all of these Anti-Christian bands, and yet racism bothers them :\

Someone once brought up the point that people choose to be Christian, not their race - but in a way I disagree because people don't choose what they believe in - they just do. Sure beliefs can change and all - but that doesn't make them any less of an intrinsic thing that a person doesn't choose.

Hating someone for what they believe is perhaps just as bad as hating someone for their race in the grand scheme of things - yet I won't look down upon one for either, as that hate is just another belief - and to a greater extent a vital part of the human-"self", and emotion that is the most pure of all human emotions, and who am I to condemn the workings of the human mind?

This is a good point, but you have to remember Christianity is something that you can turn away from/towards. It is also a belief system, meaning it affect the way people act and think. Being black, white, tan etc. does not change the way your mind works. Being Christian usually means believing in concrete things which therefore can reasonably be opposed.

 

[Hubster]

Being Christian means you're brainwashed. Period.

 

[cookiecutter]

I disagree.

 

[thisisaformicatable]

I'm not misinterpreting anything, I was asking whether or not you did those things because you would be far more likely to have an aversion to racism in art than I would.

Which is exactly my point: the stronger you feel about something, the harder it is to get entertainment out of something that explicitly attacks those ideas.

No, I am not publicly active, but I will speak my mind privately when it comes up, and with vehemence. But that is irrelevant in the realm of art, and requires no delusion, from Wagner to Lovecraft to Hate Forest.

Then I would deduce that the strength of your personal convictions is not so great that it overrides your ability to enjoy racist entertainment.

 

[Vossyrus]

I like it how the thisisaformicatable-Necuratul conversation is so proper as opposed to the usual casual conversation. Would you guys fancy a cup of tea and some biscuits? Not really funny but meh.

 

[Hatebreeder]

I'm not misinterpreting anything, I was asking whether or not you did those things because you would be far more likely to have an aversion to racism in art than I would. No, I am not publicly active, but I will speak my mind privately when it comes up, and with vehemence. But that is irrelevant in the realm of art, and requires no delusion, from Wagner to Lovecraft to Hate Forest.

Amen.

I only wish I could argue quite as eloquently as you. People tend not to see the difference between acting and enjoying when it comes to art and its values.

 

[zoidberg]

alot of metal is about norsemen, those norsemen have a meanstreak a mile long. major haters those norsemen. but who cares about the lyrics of a song, who gives a fuck what a musician thinks, they arent in politics they arent a religious leader, its a fucking musician, it should never bother anyone.

i have no idea what
necroman and awkward name are argueing about but they sound smart and i enjoy looking at theyre post

Amen to hubster christianity can be, well, something else. did you know God is the number one killer amoung people... Who exist!

 

[Mort Divine]

He'd have to exist to be the number one killer among people who exists, and since there is no proof of his existence you can not make that claim.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

Which is exactly my point: the stronger you feel about something, the harder it is to get entertainment out of something that explicitly attacks those ideas.


Then I would deduce that the strength of your personal convictions is not so great that it overrides your ability to enjoy racist entertainment.

I see your sig has Richard Wagner in it who as I am sure you know was an outspoken racist and whose Ring Cycle has some racial implications (i.e. Siegfried is the 'pure' German hero and Alberech represents the Jews). Should I therefore assume that since you enjoy Wagner's music that you enjoy the works of racists at the expense of your own personal convictions?

 

[BlackMetalTyrant]

I usually don't run into music with racist lyrics much, so I never think about it. Arghoslent sucks dick though, alot of it. So does SkrewDriver. Ive only heard a few bands with racist lyrics, but they sucked anyway.

 

[thisisaformicatable]

I see your sig has Richard Wagner in it who as I am sure you know was an outspoken racist and whose Ring Cycle has some racial implications (i.e. Siegfried is the 'pure' German hero and Alberech represents the Jews). Should I therefore assume that since you enjoy Wagner's music that you enjoy the works of racists at the expense of your own personal convictions?

Since I doubt you are aware of my personal convictions that would be a large assumption to make. And beyond Wagner you may notice Gontyna Kry, Absurd, Spear Of Longinus and Genocide Organ in there too - suffice to say I am not a ADL member, although I wouldn't consider myself pro-racist either.

Which is why I said that you implied that I had a 'mild distaste' or whatever the phrase was of Jews.

It was a random example, get over yourself.

My personal belief that race is a nearly irrelevant matter completely irrelevant to nearly anything meaningful and is far from a valid target of hatred is, in fact, strong, but like every other of my 'passions,' I do not actively, publicy express them (unless you want to count an internet message board, which is not what I have in mind). Nor do I feel that my personal convictions have any relevance to my evaluation/appreciation/enjoyment of art. You may not agree with this assessment, and in fact it may not work for you (which you've already stated), but it does for me. I both thoroughly enjoy Temnozor and recognize their stance and its separation from my own while listening to it.

Do you disagree that if you held stronger anti-racist views you would find racist entertainment hard to stomach? Do you think a child of holocaust survivors who grew up in a community of antisemitism should be able to put aside their convictions and be entertained by someone telling them that they and their family should be killed? I am saying is that there is a point that can be reached where either your beliefs are too strong to compromise for mere entertainment or the art becomes too offensive to be entertaining - clearly you haven't reached it.

And seeing as how you have expressed an incompatibility between enjoying music and ideals that you disagree with, am I to assume that you agree with the ideals of Gontyna Kry?

False dilemma fallacy.

Arghoslent sucks dick though, alot of it. So does SkrewDriver.

Try their first album; great old-school working-class punk, before they got into the dumb white power stuff.

 

[ohiogrinder]

I usually don't run into music with racist lyrics much, so I never think about it. Arghoslent sucks dick though, alot of it. So does SkrewDriver. Ive only heard a few bands with racist lyrics, but they sucked anyway.

you must be black. or deaf. either one will suffice.

 

[Hatebreeder]

All the "hateful" bands I've ever encountered are usually better songwriters because they have somewhat of a "cause" to write their albums about.

 

[Life Sucks]

There is no correlation between a band's ideology and the quality of the music. There are NS bands that make great music, and there are NS bands that suck.

 

[Hatebreeder]

There is no correlation between a band's ideology and the quality of the music. There are NS bands that make great music, and there are NS bands that suck.

But this helps root out the bands that aren't really dedicated to the cause!

Or not.

 

[Hubster]

There is no correlation between a band's ideology and the quality of the music. There are NS bands that make great music, and there are NS bands that suck.

Sorry but I completely disagree. Were your comment true, we would have no Norsk Black Metal - at all.

 

[BlackMetalTyrant]

you must be black. or deaf. either one will suffice.

Im black, and Arghoslent just sucks. The first time I heard about them I read most of their lyrics, and they are really ignorant, If your going to be racist, at least try to make sense. I simply don't like it. I don't usually put up with racist shit either, ask the last kid that said "my pals" around me after I asked him to stop, I whooped his bitch ass.

 

[Hubster]

^ Dude I'm totally with you (as a coloured person myself). I can handle the racism in Black Metal (for reasons already described), but in real life, I have no tolerance for it at all.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

Ive only heard a few bands with racist lyrics, but they sucked anyway.

Try Nokturnal Mortum- Weltanschauung.

 

[Mort Divine]

Im black, and Arghoslent just sucks. The first time I heard about them I read most of their lyrics, and they are really ignorant, If your going to be racist, at least try to make sense. I simply don't like it. I don't usually put up with racist shit either, ask the last kid that said "my pals" around me after I asked him to stop, I whooped his bitch ass.

Hahaha, what a petty asshole you are. Attacking someone for using a word that offends you - oh dear, what a grand person you are. If you can't fucking turn away instead of using violence then you're no better than they are.