Your Opinions of God

[Fuþorc]

Yea, I eat off one everyday.

 

[Pedro]

Originally posted by NAD
While technically I am an agnostic (because I think you cannot prove or disprove the existence of a deity), I do believe in a higher power. I just don't know what it is.

I thought I was an atheist until I took a class on Nietzsche, then I realized that he was full of shit and so was my pseudo-atheism.

Exactly, all u people should listen to this guy. It is true certain cultures have spawned certain figures to put hope and faith in, but there could be a greater being. However i'm am a firm table believer, and hold a service there each night at dinner time.

 

[Pancakes]

Dinner time is optional for my sect, breakfast time is when I hold my service.

 

[Rusty]

I HATE BREA... sorry, wrong thread... :s

 

[Pancakes]

Don't hate me

 

[Ultima Ibanez Overlord]

You can't teach an old god new tricks

 

[mourningstar]

i think i stand a position which doesn't allow me to answer simply "yes" or "no" to this question. having no knowledge of god (being it impossible, i'd rather say) i refuse both a religious faith and the too strong position of atheism.

Originally posted by xenophobe
I don't think there is, and certianly if there was, he's probably not even aware of humanity....

certainly or probably??

anyway, i disagree on that. if ever god exists he is aware about us, since he should be the id quo maius cogitari nequit and should have perfection amongst his qualities (therefore know everything).

 

[NAD]

Hey thanks for the compliment there, Pedro the Spanish Bastard!

 

[Hatebreeder33]

i believe there might be a god, but i don't know if he exists or not.

 

[Pedro]

Originally posted by NAD
Hey thanks for the compliment there, Pedro the Spanish Bastard!

No problem, it just shits me that people are so naive. Open your minds, the universe is a very complex phenomena and if you think you can understand or explain it, u r stupid!!!! Just in case i'm wrong, i'll go to church maybe once / twice this decade. Hell, i'll just pray to my table, it's only across the room.

 

[Chuut-Riit]

Yes, Pedro, you are so right - many of us have to resharpen their senses to perceive all the qualities of this universe (in fact, a bit "Sense of wonder" would be very good..)

So far, I want to ask the pope for an audience, for speaking my table holy (dunno what the english expression for "heilig sprechen" is )

 

[skeptik]

I don't believe in a god, since almost every other god ever has been proven to be false. The burden of proof lies more on those who would like to shove the living Christ down my throat. However, I certainly do believe that the world benefits from 'God.' Many people dedicate their lives to being good and living their lives as peacefully and pleasantly as possible, and help others, because they believe it is what 'God' wants. This feeling of a higher power gives people something to fall back on. It is a shoulder to cry on during rough times. For instance, in my church today (ironic eh? My parents don't know yet...), one man lost his father on Thursday, and hasn't been to church in probably decades. He found comfort in putting his pain out in the open and falling upon the Lord's feet.

Now, a little summary; while I do not believe in a higher being, I do believe that he helps us, and benefits and enriches many people's lives, so I'm all for it. As long as Christian activists don't shove him down my throat.

 

[Voice of God]

Originally posted by Dodens Grav
I don't believe in a god, since almost every other god ever has been proven to be false.

They have? AFAIK no god has ever been proven to be anything. Some (many in fact) gods have been forgotten and have been replaced with other gods, but even though nobody worships e.g. Zeus anymore, that doesn't prove Zeus to be false.

 

[Chuut-Riit]

I am Zeus! (at least it's my "official" Nickname )

@Dodens Grav: Good statement! I agree, except I do believe in some kind of a higher power, as I already said some posts ago.
(uuh, I m going to be repetive )

 

[spaffe]

Originally posted by Dodens Grav
I don't believe in a god, since almost every other god ever has been proven to be false. The burden of proof lies more on those who would like to shove the living Christ down my throat. However, I certainly do believe that the world benefits from 'God.' Many people dedicate their lives to being good and living their lives as peacefully and pleasantly as possible, and help others, because they believe it is what 'God' wants. This feeling of a higher power gives people something to fall back on. It is a shoulder to cry on during rough times. For instance, in my church today (ironic eh? My parents don't know yet...), one man lost his father on Thursday, and hasn't been to church in probably decades. He found comfort in putting his pain out in the open and falling upon the Lord's feet.

Now, a little summary; while I do not believe in a higher being, I do believe that he helps us, and benefits and enriches many people's lives, so I'm all for it. As long as Christian activists don't shove him down my throat.

yes that's one of the few positive things about it, but it also leads to prejudice, hate and intolerance.

 

[J.]

Originally posted by spaffe
yes that's one of the few positive things about it, but it also leads to prejudice, hate and intolerance.

So does everything else if the wrong people get a hold of it.

 

[Chuut-Riit]

And even wise people are not really safe of getting sucked into some fanatism...if it's just a sick ideology/cult and the right people, as dreamlord said, get hold of it. Look at the Third Reicht
Best defense method - being aware and critically to your informational environment...

 

[dawnghost]

I see you people have a common attitude towards 'truth', that is "if it hasn't been proven by science, I will not believe in it", as much a fallacy as it is.

but rather than discussing the existance of God in a philosophical level, I'd like to give you 10 articles that (I hope) will make your curiosity spark.

it's a lot of good material, and it may take you time to go through it all, but I advise you not to skip any paragraph or jump into conclusions before you understand what's the point of the author(s).

summarazing: what if you're actually believing in 'bad' science? it's not like the facts do not exist, maybe you just haven't had the chance to get to know the whole story these articles are but the tip of the iceberg, but well, enjoy them:


Prize-Winning Professor Rejects Evolution

Dancing Bees

The Religion of Evolution

Information, Science and Biology

What Biology Textbooks Never Told You About Evolution

The Marvelous 'Message Molecule'

Chemical Evolution: Based on (blind) Faith not Fact

How Simple Can Life Be?

Origin of Life: Instability of Building Blocks

Who’s Really Pushing ‘Bad Science’?

 

[Voice of God]

I read the first one. I don't have time for the others, especially since the first story pretty much deleted any respect for the source (not dawnghost, but www.answeringenesis.org )


Prize-Winning Professor Rejects Evolution
Wow. A Ph.D. of MECHANICAL ENGINEERING rejects evolution. What next, a Doctor of Economics comes telling that sugar isn't really bad for your teeth? Typical christian creationist bullshit. Always with the same formula. Some faithblinded christian with a degree goes saying that evolution hasn't been proven scientifically, because there's "huge gaps". This article had a bit more reliability than most because the Ph.D. was actually identified. They never go far enough to try and prove creation scientifically and forget that everything that is not gap in the great evolutionary timeline is a bit more proof against creationism.

 

[dawnghost]

sorry but that was NOT the point. the point of that article was 'design features', something an engineer can relate to. and actually to prepare the ground for the following ones, so no one would think us creationists are just a bunch of dumb, unprepared lunatic kids.

edit: removed a big part of my message because I am gonna try to avoid a flame war here

anyway Voice of God, like I said before, try to read the whole articles before jumping to conclusions. I've been where you are now (evolutionist) but I studied and participated in a LOT of debates. lemme tell you, a lot of important issues just go unheard and that's very dangerous.

and judging the whole creationist apologetics by an 'overall look' of one single article is a BIG fallacy, y'know.

I put that first article there just to be an introductory text on the issue, and you'll notice that the following texts won't go TOO far as well (except maybe a couple). but if you want to study that other point of view, and if you're up to criticize your own point of view like I once did, browse and study.

the info is there. let me just state that AIG was victorious over Scientific American in one recent debate, so don't judge it like that. they are a serious and compromised institution, and they are promoting good science.

and btw, your last statement can hardly be considered. everything that is NOT a gap in evolutionary timeline is more proof against creationism?? you should study a little bit more, because those gaps should not be overlooked as you just did. in fact, had you said that in a serious scientific debate, the conversation would be over for you.

and then WE are the indoctrinated ones