Your Opinions of God
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Pedro
Psychobabbler
Fucked if i know union9! That's the thing, how do we know. I myself think it very unlikely that the god that Christian's worship does exist. The theory of evolution does seem a more reasonable but honestly, who are we to know?! Lot's of people think humans are the centre of the universe, always have. The universe is a pretty big place tho... I just want people to keep an open mind. Maybe we'd fight less if that was the case!
Chuut-Riit
Son of German Quarkness
FLechdrop
Member
Chuut-Riit
Son of German Quarkness
It is a part of the human's self, the spiritual self. And I think there IS a reason for developement of that.
nafnikufesin
N.F.F.
Never met him. Do like how he decorated the place initially, but he's let it go to hell recently.lestat_de_lioncourt said:Do you believe in God? Is he helping us or has hi abandoned us?
Actually, I don't believe. It's a nice idea, and I think religion can be useful for many people, but it's also done a lot of damage, too. Nobody's religion is more "right" than anyone else's (although some are just plain wrong *cough*scientology*cough* ). I think the whole attitude of the movie Dogma summed it up best.
Chuut-Riit
Son of German Quarkness
I have the same vies of god as Douglas Adams. The whole idea is completely absurd. God was invented by the early man as an explanation to things that were at the time uncomprehendable.
Everyone should read Adams' interview with 'American Atheist', it can be found in his last publication, 'The salmon of doubt'.
Everyone should read Adams' interview with 'American Atheist', it can be found in his last publication, 'The salmon of doubt'.
dawnghost
Borderline
hey people
I see you are still posting to this thread so... why don't you come and join the challenge I proposed for Satori?
come to www.theologyweb.com and join the fun!
too bad Mr. Satori just disappeared when we proposed a formal debate to him on a specific subject...
I see you are still posting to this thread so... why don't you come and join the challenge I proposed for Satori?
come to www.theologyweb.com and join the fun!
too bad Mr. Satori just disappeared when we proposed a formal debate to him on a specific subject...
Chuut-Riit
Son of German Quarkness
union9
He Who Can Not Be Named
Chuut-Riit
Son of German Quarkness
Nah, he says the discussion wiht Satori and that stuff is fun, not the subject itself.
But I don't mind..
But I don't mind..
i believe god is a creation of weak minded individuals who have absolutely no intelligence or true self-confidence. Its easier to believe that everything happens because there is one monolithic being that controls everything than it is to accept than we can never fully comprehened why events happen in the universe. Humans above all seek and prefer order over choas, if they can't find truth, they create their own truth (i'm quoting someone there, i'm not sure who though...). Belief in god is no different than belief in santa clause or the easter bunny.
Polyeidus
I know you're out there
Satori
Destructosaur
dawnghost said:
Disappeared? Were you not aware that the board went down for like a week? Besides, what formal "debate" would that be? I hope you didn't make such a challenge, as that would certainly not be in your best interests.. heh
Satori
dawnghost
Borderline
actually I am aware it went down and came back and the community is well and kicking. and you disppeared WELL before it had some problems.Satori said:Disappeared? Were you not aware that the board went down for like a week? Besides, what formal "debate" would that be? I hope you didn't make such a challenge, as that would certainly not be in your best interests.. heh
Satori
the challenge is still there I think, but I am now working/studying 14 hours a day. so you missed the chance (if I can say that) to have a formal, structured debate on ONE topic with me. but our friends at TheologyWeb are waiting, and I bet my limbs that they will take you on the same challenge anytime.
won't you grace us with your presence, Mr. Satori?
rahvin
keeper of the flame
i'm really not getting why being busy is not allowed only when it's the other guy who can't participate. you both have posted very long messages fighting over every single comma: in my opinion the chances of any of you running & hiding because of a sudden feeling of insecurity are slightly below zero. statements like "mr. satori disappeared" and the likes are here only as a (pretty lame, i'd say) attempt to piss the other guy off.
as a side note, the vast majority of users on theologyweb being theists, it's a bit unfair to hunt for opposers elsewhere only to proceed to try and drag them on safer ground.
rahvin.
as a side note, the vast majority of users on theologyweb being theists, it's a bit unfair to hunt for opposers elsewhere only to proceed to try and drag them on safer ground.
rahvin.
dawnghost
Borderline
actually rahvin you can be busy and not participate, but if you're debating someone (or a group of people) it's, to say the least, gracious to let the others know you'll be absent for some time.rahvin said:i'm really not getting why being busy is not allowed only when it's the other guy who can't participate. you both have posted very long messages fighting over every single comma: in my opinion the chances of any of you running & hiding because of a sudden feeling of insecurity are slightly below zero. statements like "mr. satori disappeared" and the likes are here only as a (pretty lame, i'd say) attempt to piss the other guy off.
as a side note, the vast majority of users on theologyweb being theists, it's a bit unfair to hunt for opposers elsewhere only to proceed to try and drag them on safer ground.
rahvin.
I am not saying I'm not giving Satori the benefit of doubt here. he may go back there and accept the challenge with someone else.
and btw: an attempt to piss Satori off? please. at best, I am trying to encourage him to pick the discussion up where we last left it.
and on a side note for you rahvin: Satori may post a challenge in theologyweb.com issuing one single user for a specific subject, and debate him alone. the rules of the debate would be set beforehand and no one would be allowed to help either part.
but even so, he deliberately denied every single offer of structured debate so far, prefering to stick to random flaming and bigotry. and when I adressed him a specific challenge, he just disappeared.
now, if he wants to go back there and continue, he's allowed to do so. but if he plans on keep his childish attitude, it's ok as long as he doesn't pretend everyone is afraid of him and won't 'have the balls' to debate him.
rahvin
keeper of the flame
dawnghost said:
ok. let's just say that if i feel a lot of people are seeing me as an annoyance i won't be exceptionally tempted to make them aware of my every movement. it's not as if they're gonna miss me, you have to grant me that.
mmm... sorry for doubting you, but i don't think you're sincere on this matter. during your conversations here you repeatedly wrote remarks whose only purpose was to cast satori off-balance. so did he, of course. and - up to a point - it's understandable that you both don't debate the issue as coldly as professional scholars at a conference. i might even appreciate the passion, up to the same point. yet some episodes were no more than rethorical tricks that had next to nothing to do with what you were discussing. suggesting the other might be willing to cop-out is a stereotypical one, i daresay. i'm sure you're smart enough to know you're never going to blatantly win over satori, as in: prove to an unbiased public that his opinions hold less value than yours. nor is he going to prove that same thing about your opinions, and i'm sure he knows it too.
i know, i checked the site and also registered to the boards. i haven't posted yet for reasons i have clarified elsewhere on this ultimatemetal: let's just say i don't think i'm informed enough to face either opinion for now.
the one-on-one debate seems like an interesting idea, but i think you have to take into consideration the psychological factor - facing one "opponent" in the den of thieves is guaranteed to make you feel uncertain about your every move - plus a number of elements that, in my opinion, are strictly dependant on a number of values most theists hold, such as an effort to increase their ranks.
don't get me wrong: i'm not being judgemental. just saying that - for instance - i wouldn't want to persuade anybody of the inherent betterness of my system of beliefs, while most theists do. for your information, i'm an agnostic who thinks the existence of a supernatural entity (unequipped with volitional characteristics) is possible or even likely.
as i said, i read most of his posts there (and the replies, of course) and i don't agree with this opinion of yours. first of all, i refuse deliberately: satori has passionate and heartfelt opinions he strongly feels for, he's not out concocting strategies to avoid scrutiny. i think a careful observer should have noticed as much. moreover, i didn't see him flame more than he was flamed. but i'm not his lawyer and he doesn't need one, so i stop.
i agree on this, i'm sure you all "have the balls" to face a confrontation with him. yet it didn't seem to me that tolerance was abundant over there...
i'm a moderator on ultimatemetal, and though i never had to face so many heated discussions at the same time, i try to stick to some rules, namely to avoid have a battalion of users with the same opinion dissect and try to tear to pieces someone new, without trying to come to terms with the way he chooses to express himself, regardless of whether in my opinion this is a "valid" way or not.
rahvin.
dawnghost
Borderline
actually, while some people did see Satori as an annoyance there, the people that faced him for a debate surely missed him, I grant you that!rahvin said:ok. let's just say that if i feel a lot of people are seeing me as an annoyance i won't be exceptionally tempted to make them aware of my every movement. it's not as if they're gonna miss me, you have to grant me that.
sure, I believe some people just wanted to choke him to death, but that kind of people wouldn't engage him. there are some people there that study and debate this issue regularly, and I'm not talking only theists here.well, I may be mistaken (maybe I was in a bad day) but I never taunt when I am in a debate, I think this is something that makes the whole conversation lose its quality big time. I am 'hot-blooded' though, so when someone taunts me I get angry... from the start Mr. Satori adressed me as 'poor misguided soul', and well, maybe I though that was a bit disrespectful.rahvin said:
well, my intention when I challenged Satori to register there was to have a decent, structured debate... that didn't happen. that 'den of thieves' though, according to Mr. Satori, wouldn't stand against his 'common sense and empirical reasoning' as he liked to state over and over again. while I agree with your point 100%, that just might be a bit of a stretch for Satori's situation, I don't know.rahvin said:
why not pick that challenge then? I don't understand your point, sorry.rahvin said:
oh yeah, maybe you'll want to know what challenge I am talking about:
http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=1037
and browse towards the ending of the thread.
if you read the posts we had here, you'll see I was the first to 'cop-out' since his posts were relying almost solely to ad hominins. but alright, I am not his prosecutor either.rahvin said:
and btw rahvin. I am posting this between classes and my life will be a mess from now on. I'd like to drop this subject here. even though maybe you judged me in a hasty way, I'd like to see some posts of yours there in theologyweb.com (I still take some time to read some debates) as well.
