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the problem the germans had was a diverse number of tank designs which required more spare parts, more mechanics trained on different tanks, etc, and especially in Russia with the long supply lines, they paid for it.
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hahaha, the US army went halfway around the world to put a stop to a gigantic war machine while sometimes simultaneously fighting jungle battles on the other side of the world. nothing and no one owns the US army of the early 40s. except the nazis had sweet uniforms and were kinda artsy...in..their...naziness.
or something.
or something.
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aye. The panther was pretty fucking kickass as well.
And dorian... the US had numbers, and if germany hadn't gone into russia, things would have gone much differently. Russia fucks everyone over. They're good at feeding bodies into the meat grinder until winter hits, then they win.
And dorian... the US had numbers, and if germany hadn't gone into russia, things would have gone much differently. Russia fucks everyone over. They're good at feeding bodies into the meat grinder until winter hits, then they win.
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come on now. i highly doubt it. ever heard of the atom bomb? the fact that the nazis went to russia is just more evidence that they were obviously *not* the superior army.Conspicuously Absent said:
furthermore, the nazis started taking over things from countries right smack next door. itd be like if the US decided to take over mexico and canada. real hard. the US had to fly and sail around the world to win this war.
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dorian, I'm all in favor of a good pro-USA sentiment, but it's widely known/recognized by military historians that had Germany not gotten themselves invoved in a 2-front war (with the same army), the European campaign would've gone MUCH differently.
Russia's involvement played a ginormous part in the U.S./Allied forces "winning" that war.
Russia's involvement played a ginormous part in the U.S./Allied forces "winning" that war.
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Lets put it this way Dorian. Every army that has invaded russia, has lost. The russians took many times over more casualties, but the other army lost. Why? Russian Winter.
Good for the US, they can build boats. And so what, the US had an atom bomb. The Japanese built a succesful prototype a few days before they surrendered (no way to deliver the payload). Germany was working on one, but they weren't close.
If Germany hadn't gone into Russia, they would have invaded england, and at that time in the war, they would have won. Then the US would not have been nearly as succesful by taking boats. WH?? Because they'd have nowhere but beaches to land on, and all the german U-boats would no longer be patrolling for convoys from the US, they'd bit sitting right off the coast of north america watching for or sinking an invasion fleet.
Another problem the german army encountered.. Hitler was not a military genius. His often ignored his generals sound advice for his lunacy. If he'd let his Generals run the show, things STILL might have gone VERY differently, even with them invading russia.
The main problem with germany's tanks, they were very expensive/hard to make. Just look at how heavily armored the king tiger was. Even the tiger was a beast. But they could go head to head with any tank out there, and win. They other tanks had to flank the tigers in order to be able to even hurt them.
Good for the US, they can build boats. And so what, the US had an atom bomb. The Japanese built a succesful prototype a few days before they surrendered (no way to deliver the payload). Germany was working on one, but they weren't close.
If Germany hadn't gone into Russia, they would have invaded england, and at that time in the war, they would have won. Then the US would not have been nearly as succesful by taking boats. WH?? Because they'd have nowhere but beaches to land on, and all the german U-boats would no longer be patrolling for convoys from the US, they'd bit sitting right off the coast of north america watching for or sinking an invasion fleet.
Another problem the german army encountered.. Hitler was not a military genius. His often ignored his generals sound advice for his lunacy. If he'd let his Generals run the show, things STILL might have gone VERY differently, even with them invading russia.
The main problem with germany's tanks, they were very expensive/hard to make. Just look at how heavily armored the king tiger was. Even the tiger was a beast. But they could go head to head with any tank out there, and win. They other tanks had to flank the tigers in order to be able to even hurt them.
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there's truth to this...Conspicuously Absent said:
the Russians made the T-74 (?)...it was simple, and cheap, and could be mass produced quickly...by focusing on one primary model, they didn't have the logistical issues the Germans did.
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one of the greatest speeches of all time:
"Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."
"Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."
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dill_the_devil said:
To be fair, they were a royal pain in the german ass, and if they hadn't been so damn stubborn, there would not have been a nice island for the US to get off their pretty little boats with their fuckton of mediocre tanks.
And yes, the russias mastered the cheap tank swarm. Tons of T-74 tanks to shield the few KV heavy tanks that could punch through enemy armor. T-74s were quite effective against the german infantry though. And while the germans were bogged down in stalingrad, the russians built many more KV tanks and were able to finally crush the german panzers.
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