Albums You Would Consider "Art"

[Cythraul]

I'm not even sure what the hell you're talking about at this point and I think that you're just reading too much into what I'm saying or getting hung up on words that we may be using in different ways (mine being more non-standard because what I'm saying is more just based on my own thought processes rather than an extensive amount of reading on the subject), so I'm just going to say that we probably don't actually disagree, but just misunderstand each other.

I'm not hung up on anything. I'm trying to make things more clear while following where you're going with the discussion. Sorry that hasn't helped. My only point is the following: You think value notions are not objective or that it's not possible to state an objective fact when saying something is good, excellent, better, etc. (sorry if this is not your view. It's what I take to be your view). Since all of human inquiry utilizes value notions, undermining the objectivity of such notions undermines the objectivity of all inquiry and not just the ability to rationally say "X is better than Y." That's it. It's possible that I didn't read your earlier posts carefully enough so my objection might be totally irrelevant. Whatever.

 

[skeptik]

Not all value notions are equal, nor are the same value notions equal when used in different capacities, so I don't see why saying that you can't say that one author is better than another stops you from saying that one object is larger than another.

 

[unknown]

Negura Bunget - OM

 

[Cythraul]

Not all value notions are equal, nor are the same value notions equal when used in different capacities, so I don't see why saying that you can't say that one author is better than another stops you from saying that one object is larger than another.

I never claimed that it stops one from saying one object is larger than another object. That's not even a good example of scientific theorizing. Science is way more complicated than that. Scientific theories aren't about whether some observable physical object is bigger than another observable physical object. And I already pointed out that value notions play more of a role in evidence and theory assessment, not so much in actual observations. It's not even clear to me what follows about observation given my objection, so I'm simply not talking about it.

 

[skeptik]

Well then I don't know what the hell you're talking about or where what I said conflicts with scientific practices. I don't think that it does.

 

[Cythraul]

Well then I don't know what the hell you're talking about or where what I said conflicts with scientific practices. I don't think that it does.

I already mentioned in an earlier post some concepts of inquiry that I think are value-laden. What I take to be your view is inconsistent with the notion that these concepts are objective. Don't believe me. I don't really care anymore.

 

[skeptik]

Well I guess we just disagree that value notions are objective then. Or at least at what level they are objective.

 

[Pessimism]

Cythraul, I'm dumb - could you know.... use layman's terms to explain your position on value and objectivity?

 

[SouthernTrendkill]

Just listened to Impaled's Death After Life. It scared the shit out of me. Scariest horror movie I've ever seen... if only it was a horror movie. I guess that makes it "art" because people tend to consider movies to be "art." Well, certain movies... soul-stirring movies. And this stirred my soul (into a nice creamy coffee) so it counts. Ya?

 

[S<issors]

Impaled's latest was cool times.