And Obama wins!!!

and alex, i'm asking for a sensible response, not some 'i'll get you with my gun cause i'm tough, let's post a picture to prove it' type of comment like you've been professing of late.

You say you like Australia and its people so much, one would think you would be more supportive of the rights of otherwise-law-abiding citizens to protect themselves from criminal elements.

"At a cost of $500 million, out of an estimated 7 million firearms (of which 2.8 million were prohibited), only 640,000 guns were surrendered to police. What has been the result? Same as in England. ... Crime Down Under has escalated.

"Twelve months after the law was implemented in 1997, there had been a 44 percent increase in armed robberies, an 8.6 percent increase in aggravated assaults, and a 3.2 percent increase in homicides," reports Dr. Faria, a retired Georgia neurosurgeon who wrote "Medical Warrior" and "Cuba in Revolution: Escape From a Lost Paradise," and served until recently as editor-in-chief of "The Medical Sentinel," the journal of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

"That same year in the state of Victoria, there was a 300 percent increase in homicides committed with firearms. The following year, robberies increased almost 60 percent in South Australia. ...

"Two years after the ban, there have been further increases in crime: armed robberies by 73 percent; unarmed robberies by 28 percent; kidnappings by 38 percent ... according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

"And consider the fact that over the previous 25-year period, Australia had shown a steady decrease both in homicide with firearms and armed robbery – until the ban. ...

"The ban on firearms and the disarmament of ordinary Australians has left criminals free to roam the countryside as they please.

source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz48.html

Your people were once free, now they are made serfs on their own land, unable to resist the Leviathan of their own creation.
 
in terms of changing the american constitution, what is required? here we need to have a referendum. to pass it has to have a double majority (majority of the voters in the country as a whole and a majority of the states).

are you gun lovers worried that obama will rid the country of 'its right to bear arms'? i've always been fascinated as to why you all love this right so much. i mean, come on. guns are created for one purpose, to kill people and/or things - which begs the question, why are so many people shot and killed in the us in comparison to countries that don't have this 'right'?

and alex, i'm asking for a sensible response, not some 'i'll get you with my gun cause i'm tough, let's post a picture to prove it' type of comment like you've been professing of late.

Amending the Constitution:
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.


As for the gun crime thing, one thing you need to bear in mind is our population. Australia's total pop isn't much more then the NYC metro area (19mil to 18mil). Homicides with firearms were 11,566, out of 17,034, with a population of 300mil(80/sq mile), a rate of 3.9/100k:5.6/100k for the US. In your neck of the woods, homicide with firearms were 48 out of 279, for a rate of 0.25/100k:1.5/100k with a population of 19mil(6.7 sq/mile). Now, by the raw look of that, you have a point.
But some areas are also insanely packed in, imagine if the whole pop of Aussieland lived within 10 miles of Melbourne, because that's about what NYC is like. Like California, that was 1850(2500) of them, they have fairly strict gun laws, but a lot of criminals. Same with NY, another 330(874)[They're more creative with their murders, I guess]. My state has the least restrictive gun laws in the country(open carry is permitted, CCW permits are shall issue except for felons, no state restrictions of transfers, etc.), we had 7(18). FYI, notation is firearm(total).
Like I've said before, a lot of foreigners look at the US as a whole, but that makes about as much sense as looking at Europe as a whole. Yes, we have a mostly shared language and baseline culture, but circumstances in the various states are nearly as disparate as they are among countries. Federal laws make up a small proportion of things, most things are left to individual states, as it should be. The US was supposed to function much like the EU does, with the addition of a shared military force. But 200+ years of federal powermongering, and you can see what you get.
 
I'm going to have to agree with Bates. Crime rate, population. Gangsters and police should not be the only one with guns, I should be able to defend myself with fairness. You have a gun..so do I, bitch.
P.S. Mister gangster you are holding it wrong, likely your shot will miss, mine will not ;)

But, I would be more than happy to go back to sword/battle axe days. I would have no issue bashing someone's skull in with an axe or scalping them with a machete. :heh: (All the beautiful thoughts running through my head at this moment)
 
Also, the 2nd Amendment was established as a means of protection against tyrannical government. Looks like they were right- now members of our government actually want to strip law abiding citizens of their guns.

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).

Also, has anyone else lost a lot of hope in America after this election? I realized that 99% of Americans are stupid when it comes to politics. This was especially prevalent with Obama supporters. The blacks I have contact with were ALL radically supporting Obama, but I never once heard them speak of his policies. That's because they're racists who think he's the fucking Messiah or something. Check out this video if you want to rage: . People insist on caring more about race, age, relationships, etc., than about policies. It's been turned into a popularity contest.
 
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But, I would be more than happy to go back to sword/battle axe days. I would have no issue bashing someone's skull in with an axe or scalping them with a machete. :heh: (All the beautiful thoughts running through my head at this moment)

yeh, but you'd have to be on stilts to be able to reach your opponents head.

:lol:
 
yeh, but you'd have to be on stilts to be able to reach your opponents head.

:lol:

Hey now! I resemble that remark! :lol:

Actually I punched a 6'4" man with no height issues recently. That's what the fucker gets for scaring the shit out of me, I freaking actually screamed :( What a bitch I am....:lol:
 
Pretty much. I mean I could reach their face..but no power behind it. I need a step ladder for the the third shelf in the cabinets in my kitchen. Watching me reach for stuff is usually a gas for my taller friends.
I posted a pic in own pictures thread..my friend standing next to me is 6'4" I was wearing heals and maybe about 5'4" in the pic..he towers over me.
 
5'4 isn't that bad, I'm around 5'10 maybe 5'11 myself.

Then again I'm not exactly the tallest guy around :p