Any albums released since 2000 in your "top 10 of all time" list?

Why is it that everyone thinks that when a rock/metal musician makes music without caring about money/being in a huge company, then he produces his finest works and only then is really uncompromised, while rock/metal history shows a completely different thing most of the times.

I don't know if everyone thinks that, and even I don't think it's some kind of infallible law, but for me, especially when I think about my super-mega-top 10, a lot of it seems to be genre-less stuff that sold hardly anything, and it seems like they're never albums that come out *after* an artist has already had a successful album.

I definitely think the 80s were the most creative period for Metal.

That's a good point about the 80s being genre-less, so that's definitely points in their favor. And it's hard to say that anyone was more creative than the creators.

But since a lot of stuff was still being developed then for the first time, they didn't have the toolset to work with that the 90s bands did. For example, hardly anyone had figured out how to be really heavy and really melodic at the same time.

So after the 80s, everyone split off into genres, worked in isolation and perfected the techniques at all sorts of extremes. Most of that stuff sucked, but it had value. Because the mid- to late-90s bands could take the research from those specialists, pick and choose the best parts, and then re-combine them in unexpected new ways.

I'm thinking of stuff like:

Amorphis - 'Tales From the Thousand Lakes'/'Elegy'
Tiamat - 'Wildhoney'
The Gathering - 'Mandylion'
Opeth - 'Orchid'/'Morningrise'
Orphaned Land - 'El Norra Alila'
In the Woods... - 'Omnio'
Arcturus - 'La Masquerade Infernale'

Yeah, that's a pretty sweet list. I guess what I must be trying to say is that I like dynamics.

Neil
 
To answer it specifically, I'd really have to know my Top 10 list, and I don't. Otherwise, it's way too easy to start naming things I really like that might qualify ('Light of Day, Day of Darkness', 'Skiftninger', 'Weiland', 'Abattoir Blues/Lyre of Orpheus', 'Perdition City', etc.), but then after further analysis, I'd probably find out that there's enough other great stuff from previous decades that would knock most of those below the top-10 cutoff point.
Agreed. I can think of a few that might be contenders:

Nevermore - Dead Heart in a Dead World
Pyramaze - Melancholy Beast
Riverside - Second Life Syndrome
Symphony X - V: The New Mythology Suite
Zero Hour - Towers of Avarice

On the other hand, I think my top-10 list also evolves over time to match my evolving tastes (stuff like 'Operation: Mindcrime' would probably no longer be on the list), so maybe it *would* be more like 3-4 from the 2000s that would make my list.
:zombie:

If "Operation: Mindcrime" use to be in your Top 10 and no longer is, than your tastes are devolving.:loco:

Zod
 
But since a lot of stuff was still being developed then for the first time, they didn't have the toolset to work with that the 90s bands did. For example, hardly anyone had figured out how to be really heavy and really melodic at the same time.

This is true, while the 80's were inherently creative because it was all new to begin with, (and let's be honest, the vibe in everything sounds SO GENUINE coming out of the 80's), there was a definite "re-creative" evolution in the mid-to-late 90's. It's hard to argue that anything strictly new came out post 93/94, just a variation of a theme. And it's been the same ever since.

That said, we've almost gone full circle (circa 2002/3), with labels like Nuclear Blast and Century Media taking on the same traits as those commercial giants back in the 80's, almost forcing underground activity to come up with *new* creativity again....

....much like the economy, are we seeing 10 year spikes? Is there a trend occuring at the mid-point of each decade...?!!!!

1984-86
1994-96
2004-06

Could those be the peak years for metal!? :zombie: ;)
 
some notable bands/releases that have come out since 2000 that have weasled their ways on to my list:

Agalloch - The Mantle
Frantic Bleep - Fluctuadmission
Drudkh - Forgotten Legends/Autumn Aurora
Primordial - Spirit the Earth Aflame/The Gathering Wilderness
Naervaer - Skiftninger (cheers to whoever said it earlier!)
Negura Bunget - OM/n Crugu Bradului
Disillusion - Back to Times of Splendor
The Axis of Perdition - The Ichneumon Method
Virus - Carheart
Ulysses Siren - Above the Ashes
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - Of Natural History
Spiral Architect - A Sceptic's Universe

okay I think that's enough
 
Never even heard of it.

haha, really?

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/...ninger.html?highlight=skiftninger#post4747017

I found that thread recently when I was thinking "hmm, what would I recommend here if I was doing a Recommendations thread?" Even though 'Skiftninger' hasn't been mentioned a lot here, the fact that it *was* already a captial-R Recommendation made me cross it off my theoretical list. But now I see that a duplicate Recommendation wouldn't be overkill after all!

Neil
 
I wouldn't really count Ulysses Siren's demos recorded in the 80s being rereleased as a post-2000 release. :loco:
 
haha, really?

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/...ninger.html?highlight=skiftninger#post4747017

I found that thread recently when I was thinking "hmm, what would I recommend here if I was doing a Recommendations thread?" Even though 'Skiftninger' hasn't been mentioned a lot here, the fact that it *was* already a captial-R Recommendation made me cross it off my theoretical list. But now I see that a duplicate Recommendation wouldn't be overkill after all!

Neil

I bought this for about $7 dollars from a used bin downtown and it RULES!
 
Very awesome "neo folk" ish type band

Yeah, but calling them "neo folk" doesn't do justice to them. I know you included the "ish" but they don't sound anything like typical neo-folk bands at all (although I can see why you said it).

I was just about to write how it seems like they won't release anything else again, decided to check my sources first, and huh, it seems like a new album is out soon! Awesome!

EDIT: not totally new: "the long – awaited re-release of the legendary “demonstration 95” is finally due! after much back and forth, the parts are finally coming to an agreement concerning terms of this much talked about and highly acclaimed recording. the cd will contain the original studio-sessions from 1994 besides some bonus-tracks recorded in the norwegian countryside, summer 2002."
 
what the fug, a bunch of my top 10 would be 2000 onwards...i made a list of my all time top 25 recently and 11 are from this decade. some amazing shits come out recently...the mantle, paatos - timeloss, and blood in our wells would have to be my top 3 of the 2000s at the moment
 
Yeah, I've tried to figure out if there's any new Naervaer coming or not, and haven't had much success. The trouble is, they don't put dates on those "news" items, and I know that the item on the Naervaer sub-page (about working on the layout) is from at least as far back as 2005. So I wouldn't hold your breath.

And yeah, applying any sort of tag to them does them a disservice. Too bad I don't know anything better to use to describe them. "Barren desert plateau at night" music? Actually their own cheesy description, "Pure Mood Music", is probably the best thing.

Neil
 
Let's see....


Cirith Ungol - King of The Dead
Pagan Altar - Volume One
Fates Warning - Awaken the Guardian
Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
Solstice - New Dark Age
Tool - Lateralus
Psychotic Waltz - Into The Everflow
Acid Bath - Paegan Terrorism Tactics
Warning - Strength To Dream
Manilla Road - Open the Gates


thats pretty close....and the new Warning will certainly replace the old one in due time. Orodruin, WHW, HoM, and Rev Biz all have releases in 2000 that come pretty close though that would fall in the 10-20 range. So that's what? One release and certainly two, in due time, that are in my top10 of All Time? Shit, I could throw Paranoid in there too but held it to one release per band.