Any one here religious?

Melb_shredder said:
Surely you must be joking, unrespectful facepalms!!! I lol my arsenal if at the Jesus pics etc, but my facepalms were disrespectful??? I really don't have anything to add. There's no responses I get or have to worry about personally, because I havent argued or sat here talking about stuff I mostly don't know about. I stated my position and nothing that has been said has done much to offend me, main gripe is when people can question someone intelligence for merely being religious or whatever. I just don't get how you can pull the respect card when most of the religious people in here have been the most...

Pretty ironic of you ask me...
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I apologized if someone offended and said peace to you.

Respect card? You really want to go on with the shit???
 
El_Gato said:
I apologized if someone offended and said peace to you.

Respect card? You really want to go on with the shit???
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No, cause I don't plan to bother, but you're quite welcome to. I appreciate your ending post, but none the less, just don't see how me putting an equally funny/ appropriate poster of the UBER facepalm was disrespectful.. You and I must have different definitions of respect if my post was in any way disrespectful. That is all :)
 
Just saw this:

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things... But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Steven Weinberg from The New York Times, April 20, 1999

I am not a philosopher but isn't there an inherent problem with this statement above? How do you define what is good and what is evil? If I kill someone to save someone else's life, some people would say that my act was evil and others would say it was good.

I do agree though that religion often does make good people do really awful things.
 
Genius Gone Insane said:
Just saw this:

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things... But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Steven Weinberg from The New York Times, April 20, 1999

I am not a philosopher but isn't there an inherent problem with this statement above? How do you define what is good and what is evil? If I kill someone to save someone else's life, some people would say that my act was evil and others would say it was good.

I do agree though that religion often does make good people do really awful things.
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But who are good people and who are not good? Different people give different answers, religious or not.
 
Genius Gone Insane said:
Just saw this:

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things... But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Steven Weinberg from The New York Times, April 20, 1999

I am not a philosopher but isn't there an inherent problem with this statement above? How do you define what is good and what is evil? If I kill someone to save someone else's life, some people would say that my act was evil and others would say it was good.

I do agree though that religion often does make good people do really awful things.
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Religions don't kill people, people kill people.
 
Genius Gone Insane said:
Just saw this:

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things... But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Steven Weinberg from The New York Times, April 20, 1999

I am not a philosopher but isn't there an inherent problem with this statement above? How do you define what is good and what is evil? If I kill someone to save someone else's life, some people would say that my act was evil and others would say it was good.

I do agree though that religion often does make good people do really awful things.
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I interpret that quote as saying an atheist may be a noble and honest person but they are considered evil because they have sex before marriage, or are gay or they eat bacon or work on Sundays or whatever. It says to me that some atheists will do good deeds for the sake of doing it and not out of fear of eternal damnation and that is the insult to human dignity. That people only do good so their god will reward them
 
@genius god insane : Crusades / Shariah / Lapidation / Witch hunts / ...

My problem with religions is their lack of logic, reason, and being down to earth (no pun intended). Like, how would having sex before marriage be a problem ? How would saying to africa "don't use a condom it is not Christian" in an AIDS era be a good thing ? How would "hating fags" be Christian ? How would blow yourself up on a tower be something religiously good to do. There is just something wrong with how religions are made, practiced, and displayed, almost for all of them. I can only have true respect for those who are able to think about their religion without fanatism (strong or light) and this is very, very rare.
 
About the god (small letter intentional) of Judaism/Christianity/Ilsam:

1. I can't worship something that doesn't exist.
The "Holy" Bible is the best proof here.
a) Its descriptions of the god are mutually exclusive - he is good, but sometimes he does evil things, he is omnipotent, but sometimes completely powerless, he is omniscient, but sometimes he doesn't see, know, foresee things and events.
It is like hearing a witness testimony in a court where the witness talks about how the culprit was a big black man with a small body and white skin, dressed in a pink dress while being naked - any sane judge would reject such testimony.

b) The "omniscient" god from the bible doesn't have any more knowledge about laws of physics, biology, or even mathematics than people had at the time of writing all the texts that were compiled into the book - this clearly shows that he is a fictional character.

c) The "omniscient" god from the bible needs to test people to know who is good and who is bad and who deserves heaven... If you know the true meaning of the word omniscience, you know that a being with this trait already knows all past, all present, all future states of the whole universe, so doesn't need to do any tests or experiments.

2. I can't worship something that is inferior to me even at one thing.
a) According to the Old Testament he killed millions of his children - people. According to the New Testament - he requested his most important son (or himself) to commit suicide by allowing them to crucify him. I never killed anyone.

b) It is very easy to make him lose his temper (many many accounts of him getting enraged and killing everything), i am cool as a rock and i strive to control my emotions completely like far eastern monks do.

c) The bible talks about him making a lot of very dumb mistakes i would never do.
Example: the whole Cain vs Abel parental failure - any good parent who has at least one good book on how to raise children will know that only bad things will happen if two siblings get treated inequally and given different amounts of love. Come on... Giving Cain the cold shoulder only because he was specializing in agriculture instead of breeding goats ? And what is with prefering a bloody sacrifice vs any other sacrifice that probably required the same amount of work ? No wonder Cain turned full rebel.
Another example: The big flood idiocy... When your "perfect" creation turns out to be not so perfect (which an omniscient being would foresee even before creating it), the best way to proceed is not to kill everyone, but to fix them using your omnipotency. Even a dumber mistake is to leave alive one family with almost the same DNA as the whole population had and let them recreate the population... Was it even a success ? Before: sinners stealing, murdering each other etc etc, After: you know the history - NOTHING changed.

c) His world is hell compared to what my world would be if i only had a real omniscience and omnipotency.
Realize what happens on this planet right now: tens of thousands dying of hunger when you are reading this text, literally every minute someone (including children) gets murdered, raped, tortured and beaten, robbed, ripped to pieces in all kinds of accidents, dying of various diseases... all that easily preventable without any heavy interference into human "free choice" and without changing laws of physics very much. Can you imagine all that unneccessary pain ?
 
Mutant said:
About the god (small letter intentional) of Judaism/Christianity/Ilsam:

1. I can't worship something that doesn't exist.
The "Holy" Bible is the best proof here.
a) Its descriptions of the god are mutually exclusive - he is good, but sometimes he does evil things, he is omnipotent, but sometimes completely powerless, he is omniscient, but sometimes he doesn't see, know, foresee things and events.
It is like hearing a witness testimony in a court where the witness talks about how the culprit was a big black man with a small body and white skin, dressed in a pink dress while being naked - any sane judge would reject such testimony.

b) The "omniscient" god from the bible doesn't have any more knowledge about laws of physics, biology, or even mathematics than people had at the time of writing all the texts that were compiled into the book - this clearly shows that he is a fictional character.

c) The "omniscient" god from the bible needs to test people to know who is good and who is bad and who deserves heaven... If you know the true meaning of the word omniscience, you know that a being with this trait already knows all past, all present, all future states of the whole universe, so doesn't need to do any tests or experiments.

2. I can't worship something that is inferior to me even at one thing.
a) According to the Old Testament he killed millions of his children - people. According to the New Testament - he requested his most important son (or himself) to commit suicide by allowing them to crucify him. I never killed anyone.

b) It is very easy to make him lose his temper (many many accounts of him getting enraged and killing everything), i am cool as a rock and i strive to control my emotions completely like far eastern monks do.

c) The bible talks about him making a lot of very dumb mistakes i would never do.
Example: the whole Cain vs Abel parental failure - any good parent who has at least one good book on how to raise children will know that only bad things will happen if two siblings get treated inequally and given different amounts of love. Come on... Giving Cain the cold shoulder only because he was specializing in agriculture instead of breeding goats ? And what is with prefering a bloody sacrifice vs any other sacrifice that probably required the same amount of work ? No wonder Cain turned full rebel.
Another example: The big flood idiocy... When your "perfect" creation turns out to be not so perfect (which an omniscient being would foresee even before creating it), the best way to proceed is not to kill everyone, but to fix them using your omnipotency. Even a dumber mistake is to leave alive one family with almost the same DNA as the whole population had and let them recreate the population... Was it even a success ? Before: sinners stealing, murdering each other etc etc, After: you know the history - NOTHING changed.

c) His world is hell compared to what my world would be if i only had a real omniscience and omnipotency.
Realize what happens on this planet right now: tens of thousands dying of hunger when you are reading this text, literally every minute someone (including children) gets murdered, raped, tortured and beaten, robbed, ripped to pieces in all kinds of accidents, dying of various diseases... all that easily preventable without any heavy interference into human "free choice" and without changing laws of physics very much. Can you imagine all that unneccessary pain ?
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so from this overly long, needless and utterly self indulgent rant I can reasonable conclude that you think you're god

seems legit
 
Skinny Viking said:
so from this overly long, needless and utterly self indulgent rant I can reasonable conclude that you think you're god

seems legit
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You are trolling or not sober enough.
If not, i must give up any hope of you understanding whatever i write.
There is absolutely no possibility of understanding my post the way you did.
Here's a good book for you: [ame]http://www.amazon.com/Reading-Understanding-Pupils-Comprehension-Course/dp/0198311427[/ame]
 
Basically 1: God doesn't exist, the logical evidence for his nonexistence is in the Bible.

Basically 2: The god from the Bible is an evil, sadistic, dumb fuck.

That's what i said above.
 
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