Any one here religious?

[Line666]

Yeah man, you can cherry pick at whats literal and metaphorical, meaning you can always be right, like when Jesus says:

"The Jews answered me, saying, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; because thou, being a man, maketh thyself God. I answered them,

Is it not written in your law,
I said, Ye are gods?"

My interpretation of that would be literal in the sense that, Jesus is saying we are all gods of our own world - a perfectly valid statement given we can create or destroy based on our own will, however a clearly blasphemous viewpoint in contrast with Christian theology which states that there is "only one true god and one true son of god".

Now someone like Aaron would no doubt dance around this by saying it's a metaphor rather than a clear statement and what Jesus is really saying is blah blah blah.

But clearly when you're dealing with a 2000 year old game of chinese whispers logic isn't a valid battleground anyway, as too many agendas have been involved to truly see any real reason.

 

[Harry Hughes]

Cannot believe you guys sometimes.
James posts all this funny shit and you all go back into serious discussion.
Just chill out and be humored, damn it guys

 

[Line666]

 

[El_Gato]

what a funny companies that rule with metaphores

 

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[El_Gato]

 

[STINNETT]

Wonder why some of us are so vehemently opposed to religion?

Shit like this:

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/0...achers-sacked-the-book-wars-in-texas-and-bey/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123777413372910705.html

 

[El_Gato]

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[STINNETT]

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I wonder if they have a men seeking men category?

 

[El_Gato]

I wonder if they have a men seeking men category?

blasphemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how I miss inquisition..

 

[John_C]

I'm not going to waste time answering every "questionable" piece of Scripture just for the sake of argument, but I forgot about this post and it's actually very straightforward.



I think CJ Werelman seems to be approaching this piece of Scripture very recklessly...and if this is the way he approaches Scripture in general, then his book deserves little to no credibility.

First of all, the word "rape" can also mean an act of plunder or violation, and doesn't pertain only to forced sexual encounter (although in today's culture, it's basically the only thing that comes to mind with use of the word).

Read that passage a bit more carefully:



Does that sound like a description of a "poor young lass that is brutally raped by a male attacker"? It sure doesn't to me. The phrase "happens to meet" sounds like normal human interaction and cannot be equated with the idea of "a male attacker", and the phrase "they are discovered" doesn't sound like a description of a forced sexual assault against a woman's will...it sounds like the description of consensual premarital sex. So in that context, I'd say paying the father some money and having to marry the girl sounds exactly like something that God would ask for.

Furthermore, consider the social ostracism a woman would have received in that day, for having casual sex... By God proclaiming that they be forced to marry, the woman is being spared an awful lot of pain from her peers.

Our friend CJ missed that one pretty badly...

I know this thread should be made funny, but what you said there is NOT funny. AT ALL. That is SO messed up I can't even comprehend that a seemingly nice person would ever think of saying it. It says rape. Rape means Rape when you do it to someone. Yes, you can rape a country, that doesn't mean force it into sex, but with a person, IT DOES. Even plunder and violation don't sound like great things to be doing to a woman, do they?

Plus, if you use translation error/confusion and historical context as an excuse for some of the horrendous things said in the old testament, then that brings the accuracy of the entire bible into question, as well as taking it out of modern relevance. It's either the eternal, perfect word of God, or it can't be trusted.

 

[El_Gato]

but you know, skeksis,

they say they're metaphors or plain true directions depending on the interest of the moment


Rape? I think he was referring to this definition:

rape 2 (rp)
n.
A European plant (Brassica napus) of the mustard family, cultivated as fodder and for its seed that yields a valuable oil. Also called colza, oil-seed rape.







@AronSmith, rape (to humans) only define that: RAPE, we're not talking about countries

 

[Melb_shredder]

 

[El_Gato]

 

[drew_drummer]

The love story continues:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIXiNX71coc

FUCK CHRISTIANS AND FUCK CHRISTIANITY!

 

[spioraid]

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Deuteronomy 22:28-20 NIV

It's a lot more than just paying a fine...this rapist is now married. How many rapists do you know than can easily settle down and support a family? Mind you he now has the full extent of the law on him as well as the entire community watching his every step and forcing him to obey that law. Now the woman may not love her husband or agree with the marriage, but single women living ANYWHERE in the world at that time were pretty much screwed. She's married so she has support and a means to live in a somewhat stable environment.

This law has been fulfilled through the first coming of Christ, so all it has now is an understanding of the principle behind it. The Hebraic and Levitical laws are under the old Covenant, Christ came and fulfilled that covenant and made a new one with His blood.

I'm going to pretty much end my contribution to the thread here because we're really getting into semantics and we're pissing people off. Again if people really want to debate Biblical theology or have questions my PM box is open.

 

[Melb_shredder]

I just have a quick question... When sid this thread go from questions etc, to fuck Christians and christianity?? Really... If you feel so strongly, then you shouldn't even talk to a nice guy like Aaron... I mean his a fucking Christian right... Stupid morons. Act and say what you want, but he hasn't needed to resort to name calling and stupidity, atleast he's standing for what he believes and oh wait... Not trying to be a cunt either.. And to think I come here to a big acceping cool group of people to chat with and learn some shit!! I think I just learned atheists can be as retarded as Christians, congrats

 

[Metaltastic]

I just have a quick question... When sid this thread go from questions etc, to fuck Christians and christianity?? Really... If you feel so strongly, then you shouldn't even talk to a nice guy like Aaron... I mean his a fucking Christian right... Stupid morons. Act and say what you want, but he hasn't needed to resort to name calling and stupidity, atleast he's standing for what he believes and oh wait... Not trying to be a cunt either.. And to think I come here to a big acceping cool group of people to chat with and learn some shit!! I think I just learned atheists can be as retarded as Christians, congrats

The short answer is some people just always have a need to be pissed off at something

 

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For Jesus

 

[STINNETT]

I just DO NO UNDERSTAND THE NEED to arbitrarily believe in something that has absolutely no impact on your life. Okay, sure, your beliefs might guide the way you act, but in reality, someone who does not believe isn't being punished by the supernatural for it all day long. My life is exactly the same as it would be if I was religious. It's not like I wouldn't have fallen off my bike when I was 4 if I was religious, or my food would taste better if I was religious, or I could break a PR on my deadlift if I was religious. What difference does it make?! NONE! So why waste the time and energy on it?

The simplest answer is usually the right answer, and there is NO NEED to believe in a God so what is the point? I will never understand...

A lot of people here are "agnostic" because they don't really KNOW that there is no God. Well you don't really know that there isn't an invisible alligator under your bed just like Aaron's either (it's still there Aaron, be careful). Everyone on the planet is agnostic by definition because nobody knows, if they did then they could prove whatever was true to everyone else and we'd be all good. But let's be honest, do you really think there is a chance there is an invisible gator lurking under your bed skirt? If I told you there was, would you say, "No there isn't you moron," or would you say, "Well personally I don't believe there is a gator under there but I guess it's possible and I'll never really know for sure."

Religion is a fucking joke, it deeply saddens me how many bright, educated people there are out there who still believe in the supernatural. Ugh.

But there is a need.

It's about overcoming fear. People fear death, the absence of ultimate justice, losing loved ones and never seeing them again....
Some people are unable to function without some system in place to counter such fears - particularly when you're brought up to believe in all of that stuff. It's a lot harder to face the fact that there's nothig out there, there is no divine justice, when you're dead you're dead, etc. When you get down to the personal level - that is what religion is all about, the inability or the reluctance to face those (very likely) facts.

Not understanding those needs can lead one into an even poorer view of the religious.