Any one here religious?

I straddle the agnostic/atheist line. I don't believe in a god, and I see no proof for a god, but on the other hand I do think there is an inherent "good" in the world. Humans have a universal sense that some things are right and wrong, things are beautiful, and that many things are out of our control. I don't think religion is to credit for these things at all, but they necessarily must come from somewhere. Basically, humans have a soul, we have the ability for rational thought, and we have the ability to love others. Surely there are scientific explanations, but I think there's something beyond that, and I just don't know what it is.

I've been reading way too much Plato lately....
 
Every person who is honest is agnostic on some level. If you claim to know, with certainty, that God either exists or does not exist....well...you're lying or you're delusional.

I consider atheism a default position - much like the position one would naturally hold against any unproven or fantastic assertion. Theism is something that must be presented to you and accepted. Therefore, if you are a scrupulous person, it is something that must first be proven. It's not the other way around. For this reason, I consider atheism to also be a much more logical position.

I also believe that people who refer to themselves as simply "agnostic", without admitting to atheism or theism are avoiding the question for various reasons. "Agnosticism" is an answer to an epistemological question, not a theological one.
But I certainly understand why they do it. Hell, I do it sometimes myself. It's because when you call yourself an atheist, even though you are making no strong claims but only adopting a default position - you are still quite often accused of the highest arrogance, adherence to the most extreme dogma, etc. Most people can't seem to understand what the word really means.

So "agnosticism" has slid in there as a placeholder. Sort of a less offensive or less socially unacceptable way of saying "I'm not a theist" without using the word that specifically means "I'm not a theist".



To answer the question, having been raised in a strong fundamentalist Christian environment, eventually realigning myself against it and in the process occupying every position in between, my point of view is the product of a lifetime of careful consideration, research and refinement.
I can honestly say that although I do not and cannot know for certain that god exists or if he does not, I do not believe that he does and furthermore, I do not wish for him to exist. I would prefer that he didn't.

I am most definitely an atheist.
 
But yeah, El gato's comment is just perfect, we're in the 21st century for fuck's sake, why do people still believe in fairies and actually spend precious time and money on absolutely pointless activities that give no gain? (going to church, paying the church, making meetings and praying all together, blablabla)

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@Stinnet: I call my self an agnostic from the standpoint of the fact that I "know" with a fact that we have no proof to prove or disprove the existence of any god, and will not make a claim as to weather a god is real or not as that implies a belief, which is something I do not need to live my life productively. its sad though how atheists have to classify themselves agnostic due to atheism being suck a dirty word, which I highly cannot understand as the rise in secular views is rivaling theism worldwide, particularly in the US and EU. If more people are holding secular views, why the hell the Atheism still a bad word.
 
"I have no expectation of, or indeed any desire for an afterlife"
Sir Howard Colvin, my grandfather, from his will.

I think basically, if the world is shit to you, people go one of two ways. They either cling tightly to religion or tell it to GTFO. Some people need the crutch of a god while others choose to stare into the blackness.
 
"I have no expectation of, or indeed any desire for an afterlife"
Sir Howard Colvin, my grandfather, from his will.

I think basically, if the world is shit to you, people go one of two ways. They either cling tightly to religion or tell it to GTFO. Some people need the crutch of a god while others choose to stare into the blackness.

Good man! to add, there are two types of people, as you noted, ones who need a crutch and ones who try to tough it out on their own. Life is not easy by all means, it is hard for every single person, the best thing we can all do it work together and help each other out rather than taking the easy way out.

I don't think to highly of religion, nor people that feel that they are not emotionally capable of living life without a manual.
 
"I have no expectation of, or indeed any desire for an afterlife"
Sir Howard Colvin, my grandfather, from his will.

I think basically, if the world is shit to you, people go one of two ways. They either cling tightly to religion or tell it to GTFO. Some people need the crutch of a god while others choose to stare into the blackness.

Give me the blackness. :)

But I don't think the world is shit; I think life is awesome. But I don't want it to last forever, or else it would be worthless.

I don't think a lot of people think about all the implications of an eternal afterlife; or of their loved ones looking down on them and all of that nonsense. The very idea of any such thing is just terribly unsettling to me. I can't believe anyone really wants it to be that way.

It all stems from being unable to deal with death and loss, but I think there are better ways to deal with it than believing that everyone magically lives forever in the clouds. Seems so childish....
 
To add up to the recent subject, I'd like to mention a conversation my mom and dad had some years ago (one of many in which my brother and I never interfered or dared to talk about not even from a decent christian point of view because they go nuts and make comments a 12 year old would laugh at)

-You know I read about this couple that got married, he's an atheist and she's a catholic and they've been happily married for years
-Well, um, yeah I guess there CAN be some atheists in the world that are good people, being atheist doesn't necesarily mean it's a bad person...
-yeah..
-yeah...
-You know what? bullshit, an atheist can't be a good person
-Yeah you're right, how can someone who doesn't believe in anything or seeks comfort in god be a good person?
-Yeah, I mean you should need to believe and feel protected even if it's just to lie to yourself for god's sake
-Yeah!


I was powerless, I wanted to say so much things but it all would've started with something like "do you even hear the childish bullshit that's coming out of your mouth?" and it would not have ended nicely
 
My in-laws were over yesterday and one topic of discussion that came up was Tiger Woods' Buddhism.

My father-in-law said, "I can't believe someone that famous, that important, could be so stupid as to be a Buddhist...worshipping idols and everything. I mean, how can he not know about God? How can he not know how wrong that is?"

I literally had to just get up and leave the room.

Religion really does wonders for the intellect...
 
But I don't think the world is shit; I think life is awesome. But I don't want it to last forever, or else it would be worthless.

I guess that depends on what's happened in your life, if, like him, by the time you're 25 both of your parents, your one sibling, most of your friends and your first son are dead then it can kinda throw things off kilter.

On a brighter note (not :p):
Making the assumption that we all have finite worth evenly spread over the infinite length of our existence, any subdivision of our lives tends towards absolute worthlessness

Hooray for inappropriate uses of mathematics!
 
One thing has been proven though- Having strong 'faith' in something leads to a longer, healthier, happier life. Does something to brain in a good way.
 
One thing has been proven though- Having strong 'faith' in something leads to a longer, healthier, happier life. Does something to brain in a good way.

Especially during the inquisition. :lol:

And I'd be curious to know how suicide bombers fit in with this. :)


But seriously, I know what you mean - but lots of things have a positive (plecebo) effect on the human body. It doesn't have to be religion.