Any one here religious?

[SocialNumb]

I still can't figure out why people believe in ghosts. Seems to me that if such a thing existed it would probably just fall off the earth. What keeps a ghost standing on the ground? Why aren't they all naked? Ok, they might hover but still the same problem.

While I'm at it. The "soul".

How does this work exactly? So it leaves your body there for it has no brain. Are all souls stupid?

 

[STINNETT]

I still can't figure out why people believe in ghosts. Seems to me that if such a thing existed it would probably just fall off the earth. What keeps a ghost standing on the ground? Why aren't they all naked? Ok, they might hover but still the same problem.

While I'm at it. The "soul".

How does this work exactly? So it leaves your body there for it has no brain. Are all souls stupid?

None of the self-proclaimed experts on souls and soul related mumbo jumbo can even tell you what they are or how they work.

Such difficulty is often associated with things that don't exist.

 

[John_C]

I hat to burst your bubble, but you can no divide a finite source into an infinite area.

Infinite into infinite is ok, infinite into finite is ok, why not finite into infinite?

but either way:

if you can divide a finite source over an infinite area then any subdivision of human existence is worthless, hence all of the finite time spent "alive" in the normal sense is worthless.

if you can't, then your worth must be concentrated in one particular area, meaning the rest of your infinite existence would be worthless and therefore not worth having.

 

[TheWinterSnow]

So you have just disproven the afterlife.

no, dividing by zero has nothing to do with the afterlife, especially regarding its validity.

I still can't figure out why people believe in ghosts. Seems to me that if such a thing existed it would probably just fall off the earth. What keeps a ghost standing on the ground? Why aren't they all naked? Ok, they might hover but still the same problem.

While I'm at it. The "soul".

How does this work exactly? So it leaves your body there for it has no brain. Are all souls stupid?

when you really use common sense about god, the validity of ghosts diminish quite quickly, feeling energy/presence is a total different story (scientifically explained entity).

From what I have gathered over the years is that the "soul" is just a spiritual metaphor for our existence, or the energy or reaction of energy created from our brains functioning.

 

[John_C]

no, dividing by zero has nothing to do with the afterlife, especially regarding its validity.

in what way is dividing a finite source into an infinite area dividing by zero? Don't spare me the maths


as a basic concept, dividing by zero = boom, but it's very basic mathematical analysis to say that the limit of 1/x as x->0 tends towards infinity

and am i wrong in saying that the limit of 1/x as x-> infinity tends towards 0?

 

[STINNETT]

no, dividing by zero has nothing to do with the afterlife, especially regarding its validity.

I was making a joke. You know, haha?

 

[Wolfeman]

But seriously, I know what you mean - but lots of things have a positive (plecebo) effect on the human body. It doesn't have to be religion.

Yeah that's why I said faith and not religion... It could be a tree you have faith in and still have the same effect. I'm pretty sure the most recent study done on this accounted for things other than religion. (I think Duke University did it?)

So I'm going to have faith in all my gear, and hopefully my life will becoming more promising haha

 

[TheWinterSnow]

Mathematically speaking, you can't divide anything by infinity, however progressively dividing any number by a larger number will give you an even smaller number, and you can do this for as long as you want. Conceptually speaking, any number divided by zero is the same, 0 will never reach another number, however since this hold true always, infinity can be used as a place holder, the same goes with dividing by infinity. They are reciprocal (1/0, 1/infinity) as 1/0 would be infinity and 1/infinity would always be "approaching" 0. In both cases the resultant is going along the number line is opposing directions for infinity.

And at this point I think I am going to far down the rabbit hole.

I was making a joke. You know, haha?

hence my handbangin' dude!

 

[slashvanyoung]

The deity I believe in is actually quite physical:

 

[TheWinterSnow]

The deity I believe in is actually quite physical:

here is mine:

 

[kaomao]

no Maurizio, you're wrong... being agnostic is not to say that one doesn't care if god exists.... it's not about indifference, it's about uncertainty.

ag·nos·tic
n.
1.
a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

under the correct definition, agnosticism can certainly exist in degrees... and lean one way or the other.

thus you have atheist-leaning agnostics, and theism-leaning agnostics... as well as those that are squarely on the fence.

that's what people are referring to here.

Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.[1] Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the differences between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

A bit different from the usual dictionary

 

[kaomao]

One thing has been proven though- Having strong 'faith' in something leads to a longer, healthier, happier life. Does something to brain in a good way.

Not always, but I'm agree with you that persons believing in something are happier.
My mom had a lot of health problems and she's a catholic who firmly believes in God.
If there's a God I'd spit him in the face twice for what happened to her and my relatives.
Sorry but every time I see people calling for help, this makes me feel angry and mad at people telling to keep on praying God "God will help you, Jesus is your saviour" and other shits.
When I did social service (instead of military service) I've seen everything:
from poor handicaps to old grannies struggling to get to the end of the month.
it saddened me so much, no fucking priests could help these poor people.
Just we as humans can give love to these human beings.

 

[Wolfeman]

Not always, but I'm agree with you that persons believing in something are happier.
My mom had a lot of health problems and she's a catholic who firmly believes in God.
If there's a God I'd spit him in the face twice for what happened to her and my relatives.
Sorry but every time I see people calling for help, this makes me feel angry and mad at people telling to keep on praying God "God will help you, Jesus is your saviour" and other shits.
When I did social service (instead of military service) I've seen everything:
from poor handicaps to old grannies struggling to get to the end of the month.
it saddened me so much, no fucking priests could help these poor people.
Just we as humans can give love to these human beings.

It's been proven, in more than one study. Sure people with faith still get sick and have problems, but the studies found that the majority of people with 'faith' fair better in life than those that have faith in nothing... You are more than welcome to do your own study and prove them wrong, but until then I'll believe their results.

 

[spioraid]

Reformed Protestant, mainly.

 

[James Murphy]

Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.[1] Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the differences between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

A bit different from the usual dictionary

so... you've added more weight to my argument with that bit.. not yours.

thx,

 

[John_C]

Mathematically speaking, you can't divide anything by infinity, however progressively dividing any number by a larger number will give you an even smaller number, and you can do this for as long as you want. Conceptually speaking, any number divided by zero is the same, 0 will never reach another number, however since this hold true always, infinity can be used as a place holder, the same goes with dividing by infinity. They are reciprocal (1/0, 1/infinity) as 1/0 would be infinity and 1/infinity would always be "approaching" 0. In both cases the resultant is going along the number line is opposing directions for infinity.

yeah, i get how limits work. I still don't see how this affects my logic.

the sum of a constant from 0 to infinity must either equal infinity or the constant is 0

however

let c=constant

lim_(t->infinity) of (sum of c from 0 to t) tends to infinity

which implies c TENDS towards 0

so as we consider the span of human existence tending to infinity, the sum of human worth from a to b (where (a not equal to b)not equal to ± infinity) also tends to 0

all the above assumes all constants and variables are real, the idea of complex time hurts my brain

 

[TheWinterSnow]

yeah, i get how limits work. I still don't see how this affects my logic.

the sum of a constant from 0 to infinity must either equal infinity or the constant is 0

however

let c=constant

lim_(t->infinity) of (sum of c from 0 to t) tends to infinity

which implies c TENDS towards 0

so as we consider the span of human existence tending to infinity, the sum of human worth from a to b (where (a not equal to b)not equal to ± infinity) also tends to 0

all the above assumes all constants and variables are real, the idea of complex time hurts my brain

my original post was more a joke that I got serious into, and I think we are getting into it too far lol. Your point works in a theoretical world, however in real world applications, there is a limit to how small you can divide anything up by. And at this point in time, its not possible to break up parts of atoms. I will say that yes there will in a theoretical standpoint be material to span out, as the number approaches zero but doe not equal zero, but since the nature of division never ends, in your concept no amount of the meaningfulness will ever be defined to a specific domain along the 4th dimension because it is under a constant expansion, so if you could explain that, you solved the answer for why the universe is expanding or rather what will eventually happen to it. Imagine a spring that is pulled to tension and never stops moving as it is constantly stretching, no part of that material stays in one location. So stretching a finite source will never attain the span over infinity as that journey is a never ending "work in progress" so to speak.

now considering the concept of the spirit and meaning of life is theoretical, it can be speculated for days. But the question is, where is the limit of how you can divide the meaningfulness of life?

we got totally off topic from the metaphor

 

[wishtheend]

Wicca.

 

[SocialNumb]

lol^

 

[TheWinterSnow]

I just remembered. I noticed that the Theists around here are posting on this thread to say what they are, but are not getting involved in the conversations....c'mon guys what gives, any reason you are religious. The Atheists/Agnostics are have explained their reasons and philosophies as to why the hold their lifestyles of choice, the Theists should give some insight of their views.