are any guys of opeth satanists?
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the_3_toed_sloth
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A) I was not appealing to increduality, only responding that both sides share it equally, and is not a way of arguing either point.
B) Unless you take the mind as nothing more than a 'squishy organic machine', and intelligent thought nothing more than an amazing illusion of freedom, your concept of self generally implies something more than just blood and guts. How then, is this 'soul' (for lack of a better word) formed? *shrugs* Who knows, but it does beg the same question about the orgins of God, so i wouldn't be so dismissive of "God spontaneously appearing" as you are (not to mention the hypocrisy of such a statement).
B) Unless you take the mind as nothing more than a 'squishy organic machine', and intelligent thought nothing more than an amazing illusion of freedom, your concept of self generally implies something more than just blood and guts. How then, is this 'soul' (for lack of a better word) formed? *shrugs* Who knows, but it does beg the same question about the orgins of God, so i wouldn't be so dismissive of "God spontaneously appearing" as you are (not to mention the hypocrisy of such a statement).
Why is it when someone does not believe in christianity,etc.. they are assumed as the bad one's or satanists. Just because someone shows negativly for it, it does not make them bad. OMG someone does not like christianity THE'RE THE DEVIL WORSHIPPERS.
Stop being a christian and listening your parents god damn it. jesus christ
Catherine Zeta Jones is fucking HAWT.
Stop being a christian and listening your parents god damn it. jesus christ
Catherine Zeta Jones is fucking HAWT.
Botfly
"I Am"
Haha, common sense.
There is an abundance of evidence which seems to support God is the creator and vise versa. For instance, the bible does go into depth about things that have only been discovered recently, such as underwater mountains, atomic fission, dinosaurs, and the jet stream. Though these aren't the words used, they describe these things very accurately. And the fact that they were cited directly from God, and He is alot more credible than a a human with a piece of paper in his name,
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Although, there seem to be inconsistancies in the beginning of the New Testament.
hmm... maybe it's best to be a Jew, haha.
cited verses:
Atomic Fission: 2 Peter 3:10
Ocean Currents: Ps. 8:8 & Isaiah 43:16
Hydrological Cycle: Job 36:27 & Amos 9:6
Jet Stream: Ecclesiastes 1:6,7
Dinosaurs: Job 40-41 & Ps. 74:14
Innumerable Stars: Jeremiah 33:22
There is an abundance of evidence which seems to support God is the creator and vise versa. For instance, the bible does go into depth about things that have only been discovered recently, such as underwater mountains, atomic fission, dinosaurs, and the jet stream. Though these aren't the words used, they describe these things very accurately. And the fact that they were cited directly from God, and He is alot more credible than a a human with a piece of paper in his name,
.Although, there seem to be inconsistancies in the beginning of the New Testament.
hmm... maybe it's best to be a Jew, haha.
cited verses:
Atomic Fission: 2 Peter 3:10
Ocean Currents: Ps. 8:8 & Isaiah 43:16
Hydrological Cycle: Job 36:27 & Amos 9:6
Jet Stream: Ecclesiastes 1:6,7
Dinosaurs: Job 40-41 & Ps. 74:14
Innumerable Stars: Jeremiah 33:22
Botfly said:Haha, common sense.
There is an abundance of evidence which seems to support God is the creator and vise versa. For instance, the bible does go into depth about things that have only been discovered recently, such as underwater mountains, atomic fission, dinosaurs, and the jet stream. Though these aren't the words used, they describe these things very accurately. And the fact that they were cited directly from God, and He is alot more credible than a a human with a piece of paper in his name,
Although, there seem to be inconsistancies in the beginning of the New Testament.
hmm... maybe it's best to be a Jew, haha.
cited verses:
Atomic Fission: 2 Peter 3:10
Ocean Currents: Ps. 8:8 & Isaiah 43:16
Hydrological Cycle: Job 36:27 & Amos 9:6
Jet Stream: Ecclesiastes 1:6,7
Dinosaurs: Job 40-41 & Ps. 74:14
Innumerable Stars: Jeremiah 33:22
Funny that atomic fission is cited in the Bible but not photosynthesis. Plants were created before the sun in Genesis.
I'm a non practicing catholic... anyways
It does not matter if say god was real and created everything. Overall religion,christianity,etc.. has not been positive in the world. It has destroyed the planet and life. Majories have taken religion wrong and twisted shit around. I'm not saying every religous person is bad. When you have huge groups of people all thinking the same way it changes everything negativly. Now good people no longer matter that actually worship correctly, as time passes their is less and less people following religions intentions and more weirdo's running it. It's like a story that keeps getting added too and chajnged. All the negative aspects of religion are the ones with all control and say on everything. Now we have cencorship,etc.. and a bunch of crap due to religion. People are fighting and dying over religion, people hate people because religion. Hate steams from Religion because it has given rules,etc.. and people judge people on looks,lifestyles because of what religion started. Peoples are less likely to accept people. Christian's now in the world will not even let their kid watch certain cartoons. Imagine what they think about different people in the world. Where does it say in any passage's about little things like this being negative. People make up new shit because their minds are in the guttters. When people look at things negative they become negative to that person which is sad. Now cartoons are bad to christian masses, what gives.
It does not matter if say god was real and created everything. Overall religion,christianity,etc.. has not been positive in the world. It has destroyed the planet and life. Majories have taken religion wrong and twisted shit around. I'm not saying every religous person is bad. When you have huge groups of people all thinking the same way it changes everything negativly. Now good people no longer matter that actually worship correctly, as time passes their is less and less people following religions intentions and more weirdo's running it. It's like a story that keeps getting added too and chajnged. All the negative aspects of religion are the ones with all control and say on everything. Now we have cencorship,etc.. and a bunch of crap due to religion. People are fighting and dying over religion, people hate people because religion. Hate steams from Religion because it has given rules,etc.. and people judge people on looks,lifestyles because of what religion started. Peoples are less likely to accept people. Christian's now in the world will not even let their kid watch certain cartoons. Imagine what they think about different people in the world. Where does it say in any passage's about little things like this being negative. People make up new shit because their minds are in the guttters. When people look at things negative they become negative to that person which is sad. Now cartoons are bad to christian masses, what gives.
NeverIsForever
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Botfly said:Haha, common sense.
There is an abundance of evidence which seems to support God is the creator and vise versa. For instance, the bible does go into depth about things that have only been discovered recently, such as underwater mountains, atomic fission, dinosaurs, and the jet stream. Though these aren't the words used, they describe these things very accurately. And the fact that they were cited directly from God, and He is alot more credible than a a human with a piece of paper in his name,
Although, there seem to be inconsistancies in the beginning of the New Testament.
hmm... maybe it's best to be a Jew, haha.
cited verses:
Atomic Fission: 2 Peter 3:10
Ocean Currents: Ps. 8:8 & Isaiah 43:16
Hydrological Cycle: Job 36:27 & Amos 9:6
Jet Stream: Ecclesiastes 1:6,7
Dinosaurs: Job 40-41 & Ps. 74:14
Innumerable Stars: Jeremiah 33:22
"Cited directly from God"? You are taking the word of people who lived thousands of years ago, and still believed in marrying their very close relatives, that what they wrote down in the Bible did in fact come from God. For all we know they could have been high on something.
Congratulations, you have done for me what years of nagging from my extremely religious grandmother could not! I went to the trouble of actively looking for a Bible, because I wanted to see the biblical references to things we've only recently discovered that you mentioned above. Hmm. Let me be diplomatic and say I'm not exactly convinced.
2 Peter 3:10--"The day of the Lord is surely coming, as unexpectedly as a thief, and then the hevens will pass away with a terrible noise and the hevenly bodies will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be burned up." So basically, the idea of an apocalyptic/Armageddon type thing, but all that takes is a good imagination. There's no mention of splitting atoms.
Ps. 8:8--Says man is in charge of "the birds and fish, and all the life in the sea." Makes no mention of the currents that govern said sea.
Isaiah 43:16--"He will bring blind Israel about a path they have not seen before. He will make the darkness bright before them and smooth and straighten out the road ahead. He will not forsake them." Um. How is this AT ALL related to ocean currents?
Job 36:27--Discusses evaporation--which is, surprisingly enough, actually related to the topic it's supposed to be evidence supporting. Good job, you're one for three! But evaporation is not that difficult a process to observe. Any idiot can go, "whoa, there was a puddle here yesterday...and it's not here now...hmm, it must have dried up in the sun..."
It's interesting to note that Job then starts talking about God throwing lightning bolts. Wait a minute...sounds like a rip-off of Zeus...
Amos 9:6--Evaporation again. "He calls for the vapor to rise from the ocean and pours it down as rain upon the earth." Well, where else would primitive people have expected rain to come from--since there is no obvious body of water in the sky? Again, I think this can be explained by moderate curiosity and simple observation. Nothing overly scientific here.
Ecclesiastes 1:6, 7--"The rivers run into the sea but the sea is never full, and the water returns again to the rivers, and flows again to the sea." Yet again--nothing that can't be deduced via observation. Unless you believe that the writers of the Bible were too stupid to see what direction water flows in, in which case they probably weren't qualified to invent religion either...
Job 40-41--God and Job discuss a hippopotamus and a crocodile. Where did you get dinosaurs out of that???
Ps. 74:14--In the copy of the Bible that I am looking at, it reads, "You divided the Red Sea with your strength; you crushed the sea-god's heads!" Hmm, no dinosaurs here either, but the reference to other gods intrigues me...
Jeremiah 33:22--"And as the stars cannot be counted..." Yes, the stars are innumerable. And your point is...what, exactly? Anyone who has ever tried to count the stars can tell you this. You don't need any special insight or technology to see that.
Shadows Skulk
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Katabasis
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Botfly said:
I just read through the cited verses, and this has to be one of the worst attempts at validating the bible that I have ever seen.
Please, PLEASE tell me that this 'evidence' did not contribute to your choice of religion.
NeverIsForever
Member
Shadows Skulk said:
Ah yes, thank you for showing me the light...@ Jon: please tell me you are kidding with that statement
Prognostic
Jiggachu
I've heard this logic somewhere....but I can't remember exactly where:
Say your mother goes to heaven and you go to hell. Heaven is supposed to be a perfect place void of suffering. How can it be perfect if your mother finds out you went to hell and grieves?
Some people responded that your memory is wiped once you die and your soul moves onto another life (i.e. heaven)
Say your mother goes to heaven and you go to hell. Heaven is supposed to be a perfect place void of suffering. How can it be perfect if your mother finds out you went to hell and grieves?
Some people responded that your memory is wiped once you die and your soul moves onto another life (i.e. heaven)
NeverIsForever
Member
Trey Parker said:
Believe it. Through God, all things are possible.
Including, but not limited to, stupid people :Spin:
the_3_toed_sloth
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rissy
Member
the_3_toed_sloth said:
Bill Hicks makes some great points about Christianity wouldn't you think? I like the one about Jesus not coming back because christians still wear crosses
Kenneth R.
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never in this thread or any other did i call any nonchristian a satanist, evil, or even unrespected. i'm dispelling that notion right now.The Greys said:
as for the stuff in your second longer post, those things are not the fault of christianity, they are the fault of our society.
interestingly enough, my parents are catholic. so i took your advice a few years ago and stopped listening to them about faith. not because they're catholic but because i need to pursue it myself.
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