Audiogalaxy... Gone!?!

[bleedingskeptic]

I don't make any distinction between 'underground' and 'mainstream' music. There really can't be any legal distinction between the two. The same rules have to apply to everyone to succeed or fail under.

i do make a distinction between underground and mainstream music because you can hear mainstream on the radio, tv, mp3, and cd while you can only hear underground on mp3 and cd. people who listen to mainstream get 3 ways to hear a band free before spending money, i only get one. there's the difference. now you want to make it so there is no way for me to hear a band without spending money while people who listen to creed still get 2 ways to catch a free glimpse.

 

[Jim LotFP]

Originally posted by bleedingskeptic
i do make a distinction between underground and mainstream music because you can hear mainstream on the radio, tv, mp3, and cd while you can only hear underground on mp3 and cd. people who listen to mainstream get 3 ways to hear a band free before spending money, i only get one. there's the difference. now you want to make it so there is no way for me to hear a band without spending money while people who listen to creed still get 2 ways to catch a free glimpse.

But it's not free. MTV and radio pay to be able to play that stuff. That's artist/publisher royalties each and every time it's played.

Are you saying that different rules really should apply on a legal level to bands played on MTV/radio?

 

[Jim LotFP]

Originally posted by Claire's Horror
now, the corporate industries couldn't care less about the art. they are made up of businessmen, first and foremost, who in a global scale don't lose a considerable amount of dimes with pirated cds. I have no liable reason to respect them or any of their goddamned rights.

So Nuclear Blast, Century Media, Dark Symphonies, The End, Oz Productions, Aftermath Music, etc, don't care about art and shouldn't have any rights?

And it's the major labels who lose the MOST from pirated CDs, because more people want to hear Britney Spears than Dark Tranquillity.

Originally posted by Claire's Horror
ever read Leopold Kohr's "The Breakdown of Nations"?

I'll order this book RIGHT NOW if you agree to do the same with Atlas Shrugged. We'll read these books and then talk about them in the other board. Deal?

 

[Claire's Horror]

Originally posted by Jim LotFP


So Nuclear Blast, Century Media, Dark Symphonies, The End, Oz Productions, Aftermath Music, etc, don't care about art and shouldn't have any rights?

And it's the major labels who lose the MOST from pirated CDs, because more people want to hear Britney Spears than Dark Tranquillity.

I see comprehension is not one of your best skills. Read again my posts, and maybe you'll be able to notice I have always been refering to the big guys.



I'll order this book RIGHT NOW if you agree to do the same with Atlas Shrugged. We'll read these books and then talk about them in the other board. Deal?

alrighty.

 

[IcemanJ256]

Online metal radio stations can sometimes be a good source. Of course, i used to go home (from school) and download what i thought were good songs and listen to them more. Thats basically how i found out about anathema.

 

[Jim LotFP]

Originally posted by Claire's Horror
I see comprehension is not one of your best skills. Read again my posts, and maybe you'll be able to notice I have always been refering to the big guys.

Where my comprehension fails is figuring out why there should be any difference between the big guys and the independents.

I've ordered the book... along with The Lexicon of Musical Invectives which was recommended by Jens Johansson as he was quite offended by my choice words for Timo Tolkki's piece of shit solo album.

 

[D Mullholand]

Originally posted by Jim LotFP
I don't believe in welfare.

So I don't believe your situation, unfortunate that it may be, gives you the right to have something for free that is being sold.

If music is THAT important to you, you'd get yourself somewhere you can get it honestly.

i don't like the predictable little path where you're trying to lead the argument. i could easily retort to this with "you'd be in my place, you'd think otherwise", no? because your statement is very comfortable indeed from your established position.

let's just say: if i don't have a possibility to move to a really "developed" country, including time to establish a life and job there, if i stay in Ukraine - the musicians will not be able to receive any money for their music from me, whether i don't buy music at all or i download/buy cheap pirate discs.

i don't hate you roaringly, but *if* your above statement is only a more "civilized", tamed form of the usual heavy-meat "i don't give a fukk" attitude, then you shouldn't give a fukk about proclaiming your happy opinions on every corner without trying to understand the opponent's POV.

chairs.

 

[bleedingskeptic]

But it's not free. MTV and radio pay to be able to play that stuff. That's artist/publisher royalties each and every time it's played.

but does the listener have to pay for it? no, like i said.

Are you saying that different rules really should apply on a legal level to bands played on MTV/radio?

no, i'm saying that its not fair that fans of the shit on the tv and the radio get to listen to music without paying while i have to blindly spend money on something i know nothing about except what some reviewer told me. i didn't think what i was saying was that complicated.

 

[Jim LotFP]

Originally posted by bleedingskeptic
no, i'm saying that its not fair that fans of the shit on the tv and the radio get to listen to music without paying while i have to blindly spend money on something i know nothing about except what some reviewer told me. i didn't think what i was saying was that complicated.

The idea isn't complicated, but there is a complicated system that allows them to watch MTV and radio, there's a reason for it. The idea of it not being 'fair' is that there simply isn't the support for this stuff to allow commercial stations to survive dealing with this kind of stuff. The free download mentality is all good and well with bands who will never make money anyway, but when a band actually has thoughts of living off of music (not getting rich, not even have health plans [Chuck...] and stock options, but pay rent, eat food, and keep up their instruments and practice space), this "I want it for free first" is a killer.

If it was so simple to make a band successful and have band and label make money that all they had to do is allow the album to be downloaded... don't you think they'd do that? Seriously?

 

[Jim LotFP]

Originally posted by D Mullholand
i don't hate you roaringly, but *if* your above statement is only a more "civilized", tamed form of the usual heavy-meat "i don't give a fukk" attitude, then you shouldn't give a fukk about proclaiming your happy opinions on every corner without trying to understand the opponent's POV.

Well aren't you saying the same thing as far as your position? How many exceptions do you make? For what? My issue is individuals justifying to themselves with little regard to the people whose blood, sweat, and yes, money, went into all of this.

I don't know much about the Ukraine at all. Why ISN'T there an avenue to get albums through legitimate means there in proportion to the local economy? Isn't that a more important issue?

From everything I read, Russia has a crappy economy too but there are several labels there that properly license and release albums and they certainly couldn't do so if there was no one to buy them.

 

[Burning Darkness]

mIRC is the way to go

 

[bleedingskeptic]

The idea isn't complicated, but there is a complicated system that allows them to watch MTV and radio, there's a reason for it. The idea of it not being 'fair' is that there simply isn't the support for this stuff to allow commercial stations to survive dealing with this kind of stuff. The free download mentality is all good and well with bands who will never make money anyway, but when a band actually has thoughts of living off of music (not getting rich, not even have health plans [Chuck...] and stock options, but pay rent, eat food, and keep up their instruments and practice space), this "I want it for free first" is a killer.

that's exactly my point, there isn't support for me to hear it on the radio or tv so i'm going to download an mp3 to hear it. i don't see how its a problem if it gets me buying their cd. and if they want to live off the music and have a problem with me hearing what one song sounds like first then that's kind of stupid. they should have enough confidence in their music that if i heard one song that i'd buy it. if i end up not buying the album because i didn't like what i heard they can't complain because if i bought it and it sucked i'd make sure i let other people know not to buy the album, let them listen to how much it sucks, have them spread my gospel of suckiness to all the heathens, thus lowering their profit anyways.

If it was so simple to make a band successful and have band and label make money that all they had to do is allow the album to be downloaded... don't you think they'd do that? Seriously?

the only problem is i don't think that an artist's whole album should be downloaded without profit. i NEVER said that, and i've never done it. i'm saying if they don't have the money to pump that shit on the radio and tv then they should look into distributing an mp3 or having it play on internet radio.

 

[Jim LotFP]

Originally posted by bleedingskeptic
the only problem is i don't think that an artist's whole album should be downloaded without profit. i NEVER said that, and i've never done it. i'm saying if they don't have the money to pump that shit on the radio and tv then they should look into distributing an mp3 or having it play on internet radio.

Most bands and labels ARE providing MP3s.

Hell, Iron Savior had (has?) its entire album, front to back, on the Noise site available for Realaudio streaming for a couple months before its release.

MP3 itself is not evil. I don't like it personally, but I'm not going to go to an official site and think they're distasteful for offering full MP3 files. But the potential is there to completely destroy the creation of music on any real scale if it really comes down to less and less people buying the discs (and as more people get broadband and newer and higher quality soundfile formats become available...) and that's what I'm really afraid of.

Internet radio is about to compress because of new regulation involved with paying royalties and being licensed... which truthfully will be a pain in the ass for me but there's no reason why internet rules should be different than 'real' stations as far as that goes.

 

[Claire's Horror]

Originally posted by Jim LotFP


Where my comprehension fails is figuring out why there should be any difference between the big guys and the independents.

The difference is that independent labels actually get BENEFITED from mp3s, and while the big labels don't, their losses are minimal in the greater scale.

but that seems to be too much for your brilliant mind to understand.

Most bands and labels ARE providing MP3s.

Hell, Iron Savior had (has?) its entire album, front to back, on the Noise site available for Realaudio streaming for a couple months before its release.

MP3 itself is not evil. I don't like it personally, but I'm not going to go to an official site and think they're distasteful for offering full MP3 files. But the potential is there to completely destroy the creation of music on any real scale if it really comes down to less and less people buying the discs (and as more people get broadband and newer and higher quality soundfile formats become available...) and that's what I'm really afraid of.

Internet radio is about to compress because of new regulation involved with paying royalties and being licensed... which truthfully will be a pain in the ass for me but there's no reason why internet rules should be different than 'real' stations as far as that goes.

yeah, true, most official band sites have songs available, but they usually have a very poor quality, are 1 minute samples or are streaming crap. that doesn't really helps a lot. dumbass.

 

[Jim LotFP]

Originally posted by Claire's Horror
The difference is that independent labels actually get BENEFITED from mp3s, and while the big labels don't, their losses are minimal in the greater scale. but that seems to be too much for your brilliant mind to understand..

What's beyond my mind to understand is how this is supposed to apply in the real world for making the rules people follow. YOU CAN'T HAVE A DOUBLE STANDARD YOU DUMB SHIT.

Originally posted by Claire's Horror
yeah, true, most official band sites have songs available, but they usually have a very poor quality, are 1 minute samples or are streaming crap. that doesn't really helps a lot. dumbass.

What's wrong with streaming?

And don't call ME the dumbass, THEY are the ones putting up one minute clips. COMPLAIN TO *THEM*.

 

[Misanthrope]

Originally posted by Jim LotFP


What's beyond my mind to understand is how this is supposed to apply in the real world for making the rules people follow. YOU CAN'T HAVE A DOUBLE STANDARD YOU DUMB SHIT.



What's wrong with streaming?

And don't call ME the dumbass, THEY are the ones putting up one minute clips. COMPLAIN TO *THEM*.

How can you even talk about cant having double standarts and the real world in the same sentence? The only dumb shit here is the one you have for a fucking brain, but keep this up you are the new forum clown now

I officially declare you the new Jannet of the forum.

 

[Jim LotFP]

Originally posted by Misanthrope


How can you even talk about cant having double standarts and the real world in the same sentence? The only dumb shit here is the one you have for a fucking brain, but keep this up you are the new forum clown now

I officially declare you the new Janice of the forum.

Who is Janice? WTF are you babbling about?

 

[Obyeybyeogone]

I think he meant Jannet.

I hate the samples bands provide on their site, they always suck. Plus if someone tells me "check out [band]" or something, I don't want to hunt down [band]'s site, and then go through their fucking macromedia flash intro and artsy crap on their website before I finally find the 1-minute "streaming crap" sample that sounds horrible.

I want to open AG and type out a name and queue up a few songs in 20 seconds.

 

[Morningrise]

I don't want to hunt down [band]'s site, and then go through their fucking macromedia flash intro and artsy crap on their website

That just makes you sound lazy then...
You all say that mp3's help bands like Opeth and Vintersorg. I don't have any statistics or anything but I believe that that people who download full albums far surpasses number of people like us who sample a few mp3's....

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

Meh... i got a few gig of shit out of 'em for free, so i'm happy... content and shit...

There is still winMX... mind you, i don't have a computer at the moment, so... it's not much good to me... I'm sure someone will come up with something, Audiogalaxy pt. II or something... You people all whined when napster took it up the ass... same thing with AG... something new will come up...

Why do you all get a life... and trade some tapes or something...?? It's really satisfying to be holding a demo-tape in your hand, playing it for the first time... fuck yes...!!