Best Decade in Rock Music

Best rock era


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I dont care how you feel about the term rockin its irrelevent. As I recall all I said was some of us wondered where the rockin music went, which is true, it was a common feeling at the time.
You may say I didn't grow up as a teenager in the 70's which is fine because it's true but I did grow up in the 80's and 90's. So who is this "us" like you say who is this "we" to me? As I recall no one that I knew in that period said they wondered where the "rockin" music went. Must be a figment of your imagination or the "us" is just you in fact...

I still see no list of your metal specs
Why should i do your homework? Really it should be you who should name specs but you already did that since metal only consists of "heavy" and nothing else...

Again, there is all kinds of metal with various styles and technique applied, much of which was first seen in these other bands. Thats all, it was what it was and Sabbath is not entitled to the full credit that those who do not know or were not around seem to want to give them.
Various styles that evolved over time but the buck started with Sabbath and no one else.

It was great to hear Ritchie Blackmore say the other night on this program I watched that when Led Zeppelin came out they knew that heavily riffed sound was the direction they wanted to take. I wish I had wrote down the exact quote but I watched the words come from his mouth.
Look it up on the Net. I'm sure there is a transcript somewhere probably from the program themself but then again I am not denying that you heard Ritchie say that anyways.

Only a fool would deny Highway Star, Communication Breakdown, Whole Lotta Love, Immigrant song, Gypsy, Look at Yourself, Easy Livin, Hocus Pocus, Locomotive Breath... Rush, I wouldnt know where to begin? ... just to name a few... were not staples in techniques and applications what would become the many sounds of metal.
Sabbath had all that and more in all their songs pretty much and albums. While the bands you name had a song here or there with a trace of metal here or there. For the most part those bands were heavily influenced blues hard rock bands who sometimes took it a little heavier but mostly stayed within the hard rock genre. Even Page said he would only describe Zep as "heavy rock" and not metal. His words, not mine. No one is denying that these bands had influenced later metal bands but they certainly did not influence Sabbath.


More jiberish based on persoanl attacks (have you become rattled?). Im not basing this on "opinion" just the way things went down as the transition took place.
The transition that took place that you fail to acknowledge is from Psychedelic heavily influenced blues hard rock of the 60's ala Blue Cheer, Cream etc. to what Sabbath did to take it to the next step that completed it.


I challenge you to point me to one twist... but please make this list of "all the elements of metal" as well. That is all, have a nice day.
Sorry, not doing your homework for you since your description of metal is just "heavy". How original :rolleyes:
 
The transition that took place that you fail to acknowledge is from Psychedelic heavily influenced blues hard rock of the 60's ala Blue Cheer, Cream etc. to what Sabbath did to take it to the next step that completed it.


"Psychedelic heavily influenced blues hard rock" somehow I think this was written wrong because it doesnt make sense as its put together but regardless if Im interpreting it right this is the first I heard Cream related to psychedelic and I cant currently recall any psychodelic Cream song. However that late 60's era of hardrock such as Hendrix, Cream, Vanilla Fudge, Iron Butterfly, Steppenwolf and others was pushed to the side in 69 with the two Led Zeppelin releases which represented the new scene that was happening in Britian. Quickly to be followed in 70 with releases by Sabbath, Uriah Heep, Atomic Rooster, the third Zep album, Tulls Benefit was heavier than previous, Deep Purples In Rock was heavier than previous, it was the scene and all have stakes in metal.

Interesting is that Heeps album was titled Very 'eavy very 'umble which about sums it up, it was very heavy and very simplistic, overly repetitious but contains early examples of the heavily driven chunky guitar pedals that would become a staple in heavy metal such as Iron Maiden for example. Also found on Zeps songs Whole Lotta Love and Immigrant song.

Besides a few bottle neck tunes I can think of on the second and third Heep albums they never even came close to the blues. They did delve into folky and acoustic bits such as Lady in Black and Come Away Melinda... still very dark sounding. Some progressive leanings as simplistic as they were. Some of their themes were more in line with later power metal. Early album artwork was quite metal. They were pretty much cooked by the end of thier 3rd (edit... 4th album) album with their repetitiveness and move toward commercialism.

Atomic Roosters - Death Walks behind you contained some of the most haunting dark sounds I recall at the time. They did have moments of the old and legit psychodelic hard rock poping out. No blues such as heard on Zep I and some Zep II songs. This was it for Rooster, though they still stayed kind of dark the music lost its heavy feel and became more typical.

Deep Purple - never heard their contributions denied. I believe primarity besides some earlier songs, later releases and Gillans time in Sabbath as well as Blackmore/Dio its more natural for the metal community to not deny them metal status where they can look at Zep and their acoustic work and later more progressive and move away from always being heavy and say "No" but the impact of what heaviness was in Zeps first four albums is as important as any if not more influencial early on. Deep Purple had lots of blues based stuff, lots of chuggy stuff, always balls to the wall.

Tull - always much more than any specific genre, one of their own perhaps but they could still brood with the best when they headed that way. Maiden covering Cross Eyed Mary speaks for itself.

Sabbath - also formed as a heavy blues band released two blues covers on their first album. Somewhere in there in the first few releases was one particular nearly lounge jazz sounding song I liked alot. I just no longer have any of their music to go back through and sort out. They indulged in horror topics which does not cover the entire metal genre, so did Alice Cooper & band, who were also players in early 70's metal rootes. Sabbath was very fat sounding due to a necessary de-tuning, dark sounding, slow haunting music and stayed that path where others fell apart, dried out, buckled from pressure to commercialize or did so on their own. Others leaned toward creating new sounds in a progressive manor such as Zep & Tull.

There are other more obscure bands I never heard, this Blue Cheer being one of them, Colloseum being another, the guitar player from Free has been said to be in some aggressive bands prior to Free and I never owned a Free album either, those are only the ones I can think of Ive heard mentioned.

So no Sabbath was not alone in the least late 60's early 70's and did not create heavy metal. First of the origional bands to continue the route perhaps but as my origional statement stood they are not soley responsible for the sounds of metal. Myself I would put Hendrixs Are You Experienced as the origional foundation block and Zep II as the next to raise the bar with all hell breaking loose the following year. I cant speak for Creams albums, I only ever had one called Heavy Cream and while I listened to it plenty and it was agressive it was still the older sound to my ears at that time... things changed dramatically come 69-70-71 which must be what the first wave of heavy metal was because for some damn reason they called the later period - second wave of British heavy metal... not the second wave of British Black Sabbath.

Thats the way it went down, dont shoot the messenger he wears a well hardened heavy metal jacket and bullets bounce right off.
 
Your barely a metal fan imo. As for Psychdelic Rock. Depends on your definition of it. Cream's Disreali Gears album is considered a cross between Psychdelic rock and blues... so that is where it probably comes from that they were in that genre. But really Cream did alot of different types of genres.

As for the rest of your novel, I'll skip it and focus on Sabbath. Let's use a different word to describe them. Let's say they are the first "true" metal band versus calling them the "originators". They put it all together while other bands, namely the ones you listed, had a song here or there but never "truely" put it all together and continued in the metal vein.

This was said about Zeppelin on wiki and I would have to agree with it as well as it describing the other bands you named:

"However, the band's individualistic style drew from many sources and transcends any one genre."

While Sabbath was and still is considered strictly metal. Zep and other bands were not.
 
i don't feel like reading all this birth of metal posts but one band that seems to be forgotten in these posts as an originator of heavy metal:

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Matt - For what ever reason I dont get vid links on this site anymore, what band did you put up ?

unfaithful - I dont care how anybody views the rest so long as they undertand and are aware that Sabbath were not alone in those early years. 70, 71 and 72 most all those bands were hitting it petty hard and heavy. Other bands I always refer to had progresive leanings and other interests so therefore did alot of diversification. But the early years contained alot of pretty heavy stuff that formed the foundation of the metal sound by most all of the hardrock bands, primarity the Brits where the N. Americans hardrockers such as Grandfunk, James Gang, Guess Who stuck very close to just rockin it. {varying degrees according to the band and I know theres names I forgetting).

Rushs influence on metal I just dont see how it can ever be questioned, what they offered up mid 70's stired or spiced the pot quite well.

The more advanced progressive bands like Yes, ELP, Gentle Giant and who ever Im forgetting had a hand in all of what became metal too. The early and mid 70's is loaded with various bits and pieces that can be found in the diversity of metal.

The rest of your horse-shit, treating me like a retard only shows the kind of person you are but doesnt change a thing about the history of the transition from hardrock to metal. Most of those old metal band guys from the 80's are my age and listened to and were influenced by much of the same shit I was. Cut me down all you want and you cant change a fucking thing. You even hold the era in high regards one second and wanna devalue total contributions from it in the next breath. What the fuck for ? Its history not a fucking battle that needs to be won.

Psychelilia was head music, stuff like The Doors, the spacy bits The Beatles did, prolly old Pink Floyd and others... the Amboy Dukes song Journey to the Center of the mid was a pshchodilia mixed with harder edged rock piece. I dont make that connection with The Who or Cream as much. Then theres what I call the flower power sounding stuff but I would need time I'd never give it to orient that more clearly. That died mostly 100% by 70 with the influx of this new wave of bands.
 
Stop with these walls of text. Lame.

you dont have to read it if your not interested. I find some short posts lame and this one certainly was. I appreaciate those that can say less but I need space to explain myself, should I be shot for that reason ? Then what other reasons could we find to shoot people ? Might help the population problem considerably but I believe whould carry some lameness as well.
 
its some songs by the original jeff beck group fronted by rod stewart

OK thanks. Jeff goes way back. Im not sure where I'd say he got closest to metal because I've heard alot of his older music but only own his fusions ventures Blow by Blow and Wired... also a later 80's called Guitar Shop. Hes always on top of his guitar game thats for sure, interestingly I've seen a program about him and apparently he's not crazy about practice and prefers to work on his cars, then has his music spells.

Whats the titles of those songs? I'll check them myself.

Rod Stewart was Steve Merriots replacement in the Small Faces I believe renamed just "the Faces" at that time with Merriot forming Humble Pie.
 
OK thanks. Jeff goes way back. Im not sure where I'd say he got closest to metal because I've heard alot of his older music but only own his fusions ventures Blow by Blow and Wired... also a later 80's called Guitar Shop. Hes always on top of his guitar game thats for sure, interestingly I've seen a program about him and apparently he's not crazy about practice and prefers to work on his cars, then has his music spells.

Whats the titles of those songs? I'll check them myself.

Rod Stewart was Steve Merriots replacement in the Small Faces I believe renamed just "the Faces" at that time with Merriot forming Humble Pie.


the songs were "hangmans knee" and "all shook up" but really any of the heavier songs from truth or beck-ola have a proto metal sound to them
 
Hangmans Knee is mostly a twelve bar blues (without actually counting it) but it sounds like it, more in the vein of the old school hardrockers. All Shock up is based on a 1-4-5 progression too. Heavy aggressive blues rock.

I dont know how much he stepped outside his blues rootes before he got into jazz fusion where he really began finding his own language. This has a wicked run section opener as the band gets going but still more of a fusion feel kind of like speed fusion and then goes pretty full on jazz fusion for the jam section. This stuff was the shit for me mid 70's on to the 80's and I mostly retired my old hardrock albums for a good while. Let me know if it plays.

Scatterbrain
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He up there toward the top with me too. The thing with Beck is his uniqueness and various tones and sounds he creates with his right hand...finger pick/palm mute and tremolo techniques. One of a kind
 
unfaithful - I dont care how anybody views the rest so long as they undertand and are aware that Sabbath were not alone in those early years.
Never said they were alone only that Sabbath were the first "true" and "complete" band for the genre we call metal... all others just dabbled in the sound with a song or two.. and i mean this in the very beginning. The first year circa 1970. No other band's album that year compares to BS S/T. Any album or song you name of that year from another band is in no way as dark, gloomy, evil sounding as that first Sabbath album.... Even the album cover is spooky compared to others of the day... That's not to say other bands weren't "heavy" that same year as them but none were really and totally "metal" sounding... Those other bands were influential with some of their songs but 1 or 2 "heavy" songs on a album do not make a metal band... to me the closest Zep came to it was Immigrant Song...
Rushs influence on metal I just dont see how it can ever be questioned, what they offered up mid 70's stired or spiced the pot quite well.
They were influential but barely imo... Rush and the other bands were more then just metal...

The early and mid 70's is loaded with various bits and pieces that can be found in the diversity of metal.
Yes, bits and pieces but never complete metal sounding like Sabbath... Those other bands you mention over and over are hard rock or progressive rock bands with leanings towards metal but never fully completely there... at least some of them... others you mention are completely not...

The rest of your horse-shit, treating me like a retard only shows the kind of person you are but doesnt change a thing about the history of the transition from hardrock to metal.
And Sabbath is the bridge that completed that transition. All other bands after them only took what Sabbath did and progressed/evolved it more.
You even hold the era in high regards one second and wanna devalue total contributions from it in the next breath.
Again , and you seem to ignore this, I never said other bands didn't contribute to metal only that Sabbath were the first complete metal band while the others were hard rock bands who dabbled in metal soundings but never fully went that way...



Stop with these walls of text. Lame.
I can't speak for Razor but i prefer to make one long post replying to what i want then to make alot of separate posts...

LOL I wish razoredge post more into the GMD borad.
He would get banned the first day and he doesn't have much knowledge about the genre's they chat about... he even has to argue about the term "extreme metal" or "extreme music"... :lol:
 
imo beck is the greatest guitar player ever
He's certainly great but i wouldn't go that far...

He up there toward the top with me too. The thing with Beck is his uniqueness and various tones and sounds he creates with his right hand...finger pick/palm mute and tremolo techniques. One of a kind
Nothing really new actually... others have done the same... What I think I heard others describe Beck's style is that he is the tastiest tone of all guitarists... I think that is what i read.. but was years ago.. I liked his guitar work with Bon Jovi in the song Blaze of Glory and with Rod Stewart in People Get Ready...
 
:lol: good lord... and toward the end of the posts you totally blew any credentials you could have possibly faked your way into.

I find it interesting you talking about the first Sabbath album being metal when many a qualified metal head has stated that they were not truely metal until much later.

same with Priest's career

Twist it and bail any way you want but you were the one made a big drama because I said Sabbath was not solely responsible. I never said a word about who was "the first" metal band... cause there wasnt one. Metal was not finely defined until the 80's... Junior...and by that time it was chalk full of various influences many of which had nothing to do with dark and loagie music.