Black Metal... why?
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JoeVice
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its not a gimmick. the production of darkthrone's album has just as much to do with the end result as does the instrumentation, composition, etc.
all_sins_undone
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I wasn't talking about Darkthrone, I was talking about albums engineered specifically to take advantage of surround sound systems. That IS a gimmick, since it's a feature useless to the vast majority of listeners.
JoeVice
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its not a gimmick, its just a feature useless to the vast majority of listeners. actually, uppon looking up the actual definition of "gimmick".....you're right, it is a gimmick. i just don't like that word, and i don't think it should be used when describing art.
"an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, esp. one designed to attract attention or increase appeal."
in that case, an artist's strategy IS a gimmick.
My point is that it's the sort of contrived thing that has nothing to do with advancing the art, because it literally cannot be appreciated by the vast majority of the audience. It's pretense of the worst sort.
JoeVice
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it IS an advancement of art. the experience and enjoyment of the art IS a very important aspect of art. dolby 5.1 surround sound is to an engineer what a guitar is to a guitarist. the advancement is in the idea.
But artists are not fucking engineers. The pretension inherent in making your music fully accessible only to the wealthy boggles the mind.
JoeVice
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is engineering not an art? was it pretentious to starting putting music on compact disc, or movies on dvd, or any other advancement of that nature? i don't think its in spite of the poor.
No.
Here's the difference - music was essentially the same on cassette or LP as on CD. There weren't features fundamental to the music unavailable to most listeners.
Manbient
Queer Old Man
indeed. AC is spouting on about things he doesn't know about ambient and imaging and i can't be arsed to explain things to him. I think he should do a little bit more research on sound imaging before making retarded statements like ""Changing volume and pitch" is what creates the illusion of soundspace - it's certainly the primary technique of ambient artists." lol. big lol. So many things you don't even seem to realize exist, let alone understand. It's like that time he thought he would inform me about drone music, of which he has next to no knowledge about. Guys like him and Justin just don't concede and it doesn't even matter how little they understand, yet somehow they manage to piss people off enough to actually pay attention to their bullshit.
I'd really like now for both of you to tear me apart and show me how i'm just too dumb to understand what you're talking about. Not too interested in replying anymore though. i'm obviously just wrong anyway.
I'd really like now for both of you to tear me apart and show me how i'm just too dumb to understand what you're talking about. Not too interested in replying anymore though. i'm obviously just wrong anyway.
affinityband
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Alright here is something. Black metal really doesnt have the depth and thought of the points that are being bought up here. Im not taking anything away from black metal, i like black metal. But to go this in depth is just absolutely riduculous. I suppose this is the whole 'black metal' thing where the die-hard fans completely loose perspective and use this pseudo-intellect to try and say 'i rather enjoy black metal'. My problem with justin s is that he does that sort of thing with just about every topic where as you have someone like Armageddons Child who only thinks he 'knows it' on certain topics, which is far less irritating.
As you probably know from being at UM for a while, that justin s does faggotry rants about...well just about everything and it always kick up a fuss. And especially with myself. So i guess from that stance i DO care.
edit: jd i have again blown a fuse.
Don Corleone
Emre
JoeVice
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why discuss it? oh wait, its being discussed...it DOES have the depth and thought of the points being brought up here...by those who think about it in this manner...and enjoy discussing it....which is why its being discussed...man, you don't have to read this shit. do you not understand? its one of the beauties of an internet forum. things aren't hard to ignore. you're just as bad as a blabbermouth kid. christ, so am i...i'm going to set an example, and from now on...ignore you...take note.
plus, the views that are currently being discussed aren't limited to black metal.
Don Corleone
Emre
JoeVice
Member
--music is the beauty and meaning of sound. the shaping of sound doesn't end at the musician's hand. if an engineer's influence is present in the final product, he is an artist.
--the music played by the artists at the time of the recording is always the same. the musician's performance is the soul of music. but, the shaping of sound doesn't end at the musician's hand. first, the musician, by working with the instrument, shapes the sound. second, the microphone picks up the sound, shaping it again. third....see where i'm going with this?
--cassette, LP, CD, Surround Sound, Speakers....bla bla bla...everything shapes the sound. i remember someone on this board posting a thread about a custom speaker setup in his room, and how it aided in his emotional response. that was art!!!
Kenneth R.
Cináed
*raises hand*... because it's NOT well-constructed philosophy. they might as well be typing random ASCII characters. Even the dumbass posts make more logical sense.
JoeVice
Member
wait a sec....so you guys are critics, but you don't even read the content...how does that work?
wait...kenny...my lil red star, you commented on it...you read it, didn't you? *tickle* *tickle*
wait...kenny...my lil red star, you commented on it...you read it, didn't you? *tickle* *tickle*
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