Black Metal... why?

[Kenneth R.]

See above post for the modern popular sentiment that philosophy is an idiot's game for armchair fools. We have evidence for why they feel such a thing is true with people like this ^ playing pretend intellectual. Another anus.com casualty.

I await your witty reply.

(note, Justin, not guru who snuck in between)

 

[A ska to S]

There have been some excellent suggestions in the thread so far, here are some more you may want to try :

Drudkh - Autumn Aurora
Blut Aus Nord - Ultima Thulee
Diabolical Masqurade - The Phantom Lodge
Naglfar - Sheol
And Oceans - The Dynamic Gallery of Thoughts
Taake - Over Bjoergvin Graater Himmeri



There's a bit in there for everyone

Don't listen to this guy.

 

[Justin S.]

so that is your philosophy (is it not)?

Only if you conflate "philosophy" and "worldview" (or, belief).

 

[Kenneth R.]

Conflate? I think the word you're looking for is "equivocate". You can put your dictionary away now. I'm going to go play guitar. I'm disappointed you weren't as entertaining in replying as I'd hoped for a good laugh.

 

[Justin S.]

See above post for the modern popular sentiment that philosophy is an idiot's game for armchair fools. We have evidence for why they feel such a thing is true with people like this ^ playing pretend intellectual. Another anus.com casualty.

I await your witty reply.

(note, Justin, not guru who snuck in between)

My criticism of philosophy has little to do with "modern popular sentiment" (unless the pre-socratics are modern). In fact, I am technically a student of philosophy, it is not something distant to me.

I do not frequent, nor am i involved with anus.

Next time, throw in bible passages for more truth factor.

 

[Justin S.]

Conflate? I think the word you're looking for is "equivocate". You can put your dictionary away now. I'm going to go play guitar. I'm disappointed you weren't as entertaining in replying as I'd hoped for a good laugh.

How humble a servant.

BTW, conflate is entirely appropriate.

 

[RedinTheSky]

I do not frequent, nor am i involved with anus.

This is just too fucking hilarious

 

[Sadguru]

What?

Begin*
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you think any kind of judgement whatsoever is wrong to begin with? Can you elaborate a bit?

 

[Justin S.]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you think any kind of judgement whatsoever is wrong to begin with?

Not at all. "Judgment" is inescapable, a fundamental component of our existence.

The issue is: What is judgment? What types or modes are there, how do they function, what are their criterion, how are they conditioned, what is their relation to "the imaginary" to ideology, worldview, etc.

This was the task of philosophy, which ran its course, and reopened the path for thinking (as understood in the German denken and Bisinnung)

 

[Sadguru]

Not at all. "Judgment" is inescapable, a fundamental component of our existence.

The issue is: What is judgment? What types or modes are there, how do they function, what are their criterion, how are they conditioned, what is their relation to "the imaginary" to ideology, worldview, etc.

This was the task of philosophy, which ran its course, and reopened the path for thinking (as understood in the German denken and Bisinnung)

Humm, I'm not asking if judgements are inescapable or not. I'll reformulate: Do you think judgements hold any "objective" value?

Let's take an exemple:
Person A: Burzum - Filosofem is a good album
Person B: Burzum - Filosofem is a bad album

Who is right? Who is wrong?
possible answers:
a) Person A is right, Person B is wrong.
b) Person B is right. Person A is wrong.
c) neither

What's your answer and why it is so?

I would appreciate you put aside your rhetoric for a moment and actually answer in plain language.

 

[Justin S.]

I don't know what you mean when you say "objective".

Filosofem has both good and bad things about it. I don't feel compelled to share why/what at the moment.

edit: also, something isn't "rhetoric" or bullshit simply because its unfamiliar. The hasty reaction to insist so (defensively) is what I hinted at earlier by "populist authoritarianism" (i.e. "I know everything worth knowing (even if ignorant), if I dont understand it, its not worth knowing")

 

[Sadguru]

I don't know what you mean when you say "objective".

Filosofem has both good and bad things about it. I don't feel compelled to share why/what at the moment.

Undistorted by personal bias. That which exists independently of the perceiver.

edit: "the hasty reaction to insist so (defensively)" is a projection of your mind. But don't worry, I'll let you choose what you want to see.

 

[Justin S.]

Undistorted by personal bias. That which exists independently of the perceiver.

Certainly there are things existing "independently of the perceiver".

"Undistorted by personal bias" is something entirely different. By nature of having a perspective (indeed by existing at all), one is oriented (in the broadest sense) certain ways (temporally/existentially, biologically/psychologically, etc.)- one is a vector of consciousness within something (a world), enabled by something (the potentiality of Being as such). I cannot think of a "non-biased" anything.

The fact that we can agree on many sensory phenomena (measurement) has no bearing on this- We are merely codifying common elements of human perception.

Often, "objective" is used in an extreme way- the search for that which is as such, "the real". That pursuit is totally perverse.

 

[Justin S.]

edit: "the hasty reaction to insist so (defensively)" is a projection of your mind. But don't worry, I'll let you choose what you want to see.

I didn't mean that this was entirely the case with your post, rather a common problem on the board. Relax.

 

[Justin S.]

Sadguru,

We are straying too far. This stuff is best discussed elsewhere.

Let's turn back to black metal...

(so says the guy constantly derailing threads...)

 

[all_sins_undone]

ugh sadguru's post are so hard to read

 

[Sadguru]

Certainly there are things existing "independently of the perceiver".

"Undistorted by personal bias" is something entirely different. By nature of having a perspective (indeed by existing at all), one is oriented (in the broadest sense) certain ways (temporally/existentially, biologically/psychologically, etc.)- one has a vector of consciousness within something (a world), enabled by something (the potentiality of Being as such). I cannot think of a "non-biased" anything.

The fact that we can agree on many sensory phenomena (measurement) has no bearing on this- We are merely codifying common elements of human perception.

Often, "objective" is used in an extreme way- the search for that which is as such, "the real". That pursuit is totally perverse.

I agree with pretty much all you've said except that idea that something can exists independently from the perceiver. I think that this space, that disconnection between the observer and the observed is illusory.

edit:

Sadguru,

We are straying too far. This stuff is best discussed elsewhere.

Let's turn back to black metal...

Agreed.

 

[Sadguru]

ugh sadguru's post are so hard to read

Yes I know. My English is far from being good. I try, I try...

 

[RedinTheSky]

 

[i aint play this]

Quite a lot of baggage you have there. You misunderstand me if you think my recommendations had any concern for "troo-ness". They were to serve as an introduction to the formative foundations of "second wave" black metal, which is where I think the "essential" elements of the genre lie. I'm also disappointed that you ripped off the Don's insult.

If there is arrogance here, it is in your knee-jerk populist authoritarianism.

Yeah, and you are obviously the fucking bible because you know what is essential and people should only listen to you...yeah