Interesting. And true. Before giving my point of view, I just wanna point out to Salmawhathever and to Phyre that the whole "I bring the truth, I am god" and whatever are used for sarcasm, because I think many people here act like that. I do not overestimate me.
Now to the serious things:
@Villan
"[...]
<i>Since it's early days, the DT-forum has always been a place for people to discuss the things they want to, regardless of other people's opinions about the subject. However, purposely angering people has never been tolerated - your constant attempts to "open up" our very closed community with new viewpoints (and threads) can soon be seen as nothing else than fomenting anger. "</i>
- I am really astonished by this. I mean, it might be very true, but since I am a relatively new member (since january), I never saw that "closed community" thing. My acts, done in this small circle must have brought anger and frustration. I have nothing to say to defend myself... except maybe that I have never though it was that closed... and also maybe the fact that I never lived in any closed community because of my nature, so I am not used to behave this particular way. I always feel confortable in a place even if I'm totally new. I also try to make people feel that confortable when they are new.
<i>"We are a closed group of uptight elitists, there's no way denying it. But that won't be changed by your methods. The people you are fighting with are all well-known regulars here, and I must admit that's enough of a reason for me to defend them against threats from "outside". Many others here feel the same. If it is a choice between you and Phyre (or Ormir, or someone else), you are the one to lose here - whether or not you were right or wrong to begin with. "
I hope you understand that. </i>
- Well I guess it's the rule. Friends defend friends, whether they are right or not. I completly understand this way of thinking, but I do not agree with it. But at least I can understand why all this shit happened. I slowly think that the metal community is growing as the rap community is. With pride, reputation and loyalty as the only value. Justice is overcome by friendship.
<i>"Here you are very wrong, and I'll try to point out why.
1. The "I am Thanatos" -thread served a purpose of amusing us. I and many others considered it very funny. A good thread for that, I'd say.
2. Hearse is a regular here, and the majority of us regulars are very interested in the doings of Thales. A very interesting thread for the people here.
3. The "exams" -thread appears to have drawn pretty much attention from many people (although not from me) and there's much discussion going on - an excellent thread, I'd say.
4. The Death albums -thread was irrelevant and not very interesting for the majority here. A rather useless, but still tolerable thread.
5. This thread has caused another needless flamewar and many insults. The importance of the information in this thread (most useless for the majority of the people here; you really have overestimated the interest towards CoB here - I'd daresay less than 10% of the regulars here like CoB) is far outweighed by the amount of anger this thread has generated. Thus, a bad thread.</i>
I do not agree. The thread itself did not caused any flamewar. It is the arrogant answers that began it. Don't you think that if Phyre, Salmawhathever and Ormir would have responsed to the death thread telling it was spam (as they did for mine), and that the original creater would have popped out, pissed off, saying that it is not, do you think that wouldnt have created a flame war? Yes it would. Why did it happen on my thread? There is two reason I think. The first one is that it is not my first thread of that kind, so they could have been pissed a bit more by mine. The other reason is that they just do not like me. I had many arguments with Phyre on the In Flames board, so that could be a kind of revenge.
10% of the regular might like CoB, but just look at the thread where people tell their dream stage set. CoB is listed half the time.
That forum does not belong to the regular more than to the newcomer, it belongs to the band and to their fan, whether they post ten times a day or once a week.
<i>Now, making a bad thread once or twice doesn't make anyone a bad person. However, if one constantly tries to fight against the windmills by making threads people don't like, it can be seen as general ignorance towards the people's opinions.
I won't draw the conclusions any longer, but I hope you find suitable ones by yourself.
-Villain</i>
I hope, because I am not a bad person. I think that my thread was not that much hated. Ormir, Siren, Phyre, HarmonyDies, you and Salma were upset about it. You are all regular (except Harmony, but his vote do not really count). As you explained it, it is normal that you are all upset. But I think that the people who are not regular here are not really upset by this, and might even have found it really useful. I would have.
I guess I'll have to be quieter and less extravagant to obtain a small place here. It is not my normal way of behaving, but it is not accepted here.
Samarkol
Now to the serious things:
@Villan
"[...]
<i>Since it's early days, the DT-forum has always been a place for people to discuss the things they want to, regardless of other people's opinions about the subject. However, purposely angering people has never been tolerated - your constant attempts to "open up" our very closed community with new viewpoints (and threads) can soon be seen as nothing else than fomenting anger. "</i>
- I am really astonished by this. I mean, it might be very true, but since I am a relatively new member (since january), I never saw that "closed community" thing. My acts, done in this small circle must have brought anger and frustration. I have nothing to say to defend myself... except maybe that I have never though it was that closed... and also maybe the fact that I never lived in any closed community because of my nature, so I am not used to behave this particular way. I always feel confortable in a place even if I'm totally new. I also try to make people feel that confortable when they are new.
<i>"We are a closed group of uptight elitists, there's no way denying it. But that won't be changed by your methods. The people you are fighting with are all well-known regulars here, and I must admit that's enough of a reason for me to defend them against threats from "outside". Many others here feel the same. If it is a choice between you and Phyre (or Ormir, or someone else), you are the one to lose here - whether or not you were right or wrong to begin with. "
I hope you understand that. </i>
- Well I guess it's the rule. Friends defend friends, whether they are right or not. I completly understand this way of thinking, but I do not agree with it. But at least I can understand why all this shit happened. I slowly think that the metal community is growing as the rap community is. With pride, reputation and loyalty as the only value. Justice is overcome by friendship.
<i>"Here you are very wrong, and I'll try to point out why.
1. The "I am Thanatos" -thread served a purpose of amusing us. I and many others considered it very funny. A good thread for that, I'd say.
2. Hearse is a regular here, and the majority of us regulars are very interested in the doings of Thales. A very interesting thread for the people here.
3. The "exams" -thread appears to have drawn pretty much attention from many people (although not from me) and there's much discussion going on - an excellent thread, I'd say.
4. The Death albums -thread was irrelevant and not very interesting for the majority here. A rather useless, but still tolerable thread.
5. This thread has caused another needless flamewar and many insults. The importance of the information in this thread (most useless for the majority of the people here; you really have overestimated the interest towards CoB here - I'd daresay less than 10% of the regulars here like CoB) is far outweighed by the amount of anger this thread has generated. Thus, a bad thread.</i>
I do not agree. The thread itself did not caused any flamewar. It is the arrogant answers that began it. Don't you think that if Phyre, Salmawhathever and Ormir would have responsed to the death thread telling it was spam (as they did for mine), and that the original creater would have popped out, pissed off, saying that it is not, do you think that wouldnt have created a flame war? Yes it would. Why did it happen on my thread? There is two reason I think. The first one is that it is not my first thread of that kind, so they could have been pissed a bit more by mine. The other reason is that they just do not like me. I had many arguments with Phyre on the In Flames board, so that could be a kind of revenge.
10% of the regular might like CoB, but just look at the thread where people tell their dream stage set. CoB is listed half the time.
That forum does not belong to the regular more than to the newcomer, it belongs to the band and to their fan, whether they post ten times a day or once a week.
<i>Now, making a bad thread once or twice doesn't make anyone a bad person. However, if one constantly tries to fight against the windmills by making threads people don't like, it can be seen as general ignorance towards the people's opinions.
I won't draw the conclusions any longer, but I hope you find suitable ones by yourself.
-Villain</i>
I hope, because I am not a bad person. I think that my thread was not that much hated. Ormir, Siren, Phyre, HarmonyDies, you and Salma were upset about it. You are all regular (except Harmony, but his vote do not really count). As you explained it, it is normal that you are all upset. But I think that the people who are not regular here are not really upset by this, and might even have found it really useful. I would have.
I guess I'll have to be quieter and less extravagant to obtain a small place here. It is not my normal way of behaving, but it is not accepted here.
Samarkol
