Confused About Turkey

Oct 7, 2006
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Just correct my guys

People in turkey Are Christians Right ?

And They are NOT muslims ..

cos Orphand Land won't come to a Muslims Country for example (Iran..)
 
No you are wrong, Turkish are generally muslim, although there are some Christians there.
And the reason Orphaned Land cannot perform in certain countries has nothing to do with muslims, but it has to do with the government of those countries and the fact the band is not allowed there because they are Israeli/Jewish. It is not that they don't want to go to a place like Syria, but they cannot. Big difference.
Even though their music is sometimes banned in certain places, they still have a lot of fans in countries like Syria, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Quatar, Egypt and Dubai.
 
Blacken the angle said:
Just correct my guys

People in turkey Are Christians Right ?

And They are NOT muslims ..

cos Orphand Land won't come to a Muslims Country for example (Iran..)
Turkey is known as a muslim county Blacken the angle:)
The people who live in Turkey is mostly muslim. i mean, 99% is muslim but Turkey is not ruled by religious rules but the Republic of Turkiye and as you know the goverment has no religion in republics.
And Orphaned Land always play here like it's their home:)
coz in the Ottoman times, jews and muslims lived together in peace and Ottoman Empire always welcomed all jewish people (exmp. who came from Spain) and our roots come from Ottoman, so it has a special relationship between 2 countries.

and alsoooo;
we love ORPHANED LAND!!!:D:headbang:
 
Thx for the answers

but now I just got more confused cos you've said that 99% are muslim Right ?
but they are ruled by the rest 1% :OMG:



so (with no offense) is that part of the democrecy in Turkey ?

Anyway .. Egypt and Jordan Are allies or at least freinds to israel ,
so the goverments of those two countries may welcome isralian bands as well ,
but we don't see them there ..

and what about liban , They are not muslims nor ruled by them ?
 
Blacken the angle said:
Thx for the answers

but now I just got more confused cos you've said that 99% are muslim Right ?
but they are ruled by the rest 1% :OMG:
so (with no offense) is that part of the democrecy in Turkey ?
What the hell are you talking about? Ruled by who?

Blacken the angle said:
Anyway .. Egypt and Jordan Are allies or at least freinds to israel ,
so the goverments of those two countries may welcome isralian bands as well ,
but we don't see them there ..
I'll be direct. No they are not "allies", neither friends. Just surrounding countries having diplomatic relations in rather good terms with Israel (even if with Jordan it's more historical. anyway). We can discuss hours cause it is of course more complicated than that.

Blacken the angle said:
and what about liban , They are not muslims nor ruled by them ?
Lebanon is a very complex situation with so many religion and ethnies... No offense, but I suggest you first to check the history of this country (and at the same time all the middle east history) on books or google.
 
The fact that 99% of the Turkish are muslim, but they are not ruled by muslim law, doesn't mean that they are ruled by the other 1%. It just means that Turkey has a divide between state government and religion. As is the case in most modern countries.
I suggest you look up Ataturk in your historybook, then read how come Turkey is a modern country today.

Don't take offence by my question- but how come you don't know about any of this? I am just curious, because your profile doesn't state the country you are from.
As far as I am concerned, you can ask any question you want on this subject. It is better to admit you don't know and get the information then to stay oblivious.
 
yeah I'd like to ask the same question... Ruled by who? -_-' I hate the fact that there are still some people (or countries) think that Turkey is ruled by Islamic laws etc. [It's "Ataturk" btw :)]
 
Morticia NL. said:
The fact that 99% of the Turkish are muslim, but they are not ruled by muslim law, doesn't mean that they are ruled by the other 1%. It just means that Turkey has a divide between state government and religion. As is the case in most modern countries.
As far as I know, this is not exactly the case. Turkey is a secular republic, but there is not a strict split between gov and religion, but more likely religion being under tutelar of the government.
 
Jordan is a true ally to Israel You know why ?
cos it gave israel the plans of the 1973 October war !

so does'nt that seem like it's a true ally ?

anyway..

Kemal Attatork has banned the "Adhan"
Turkey Has it's own porn industry (channels , movies , etc..)
Turkey produces (wine , Alcholic beverages )

I am asking those questions because turkey was the heart of the muslim empire (during the ottomans rule )
but now its seems that it's not related to the Islam , Well officialy ..

I just want to know if the turkish were muslims how did they accept kemal attaturk as a Ruler ?

Do they really choose him ?

and btw early ottomans made their best to spread their faith into europ
 
Just like the Nordic countries and Britian, they have revolutioned their religion (prostetanisme), to be more modern, and to follow the way of life, so they themselves can evolve.
 
Morticia NL. said:
The fact that 99% of the Turkish are muslim, but they are not ruled by muslim law, doesn't mean that they are ruled by the other 1%. It just means that Turkey has a divide between state government and religion. As is the case in most modern countries.
I suggest you look up Araturk in your historybook, then read how come Turkey is a modern country today

That's exactly what i wanted to say, thanx Nath:)
 
BC-A said:
As far as I know, this is not exactly the case. Turkey is a secular republic, but there is not a strict split between gov and religion, but more likely religion being under tutelar of the government.

No Yannick, Nathalie is right. Government and religion is totally divided so you can't find anything Islamic in the law.
 
Blacken the angle said:
Kemal Attatork has banned the "Adhan"

I just want to know if the turkish were muslims how did they accept kemal attaturk as a Ruler ?

Do they really choose him ?

First of all, i didn't get what you mean with the word "Adhan"? so i can't say anything about it.
and the second: i really didn't get the other question, yes, Turkish are muslim and "Ataturk" is also Turkish. During the Independence War in Anatolian lands, he lead the whole army and then established the Republic of Turkiye and became the president.
And if you wonder do we really choose him? Believe me , most of the people who lived in here were yearning it with all of their hearts.
also you can check it out for more info:
www.ataturk.com
 
Derya the Angel said:
No Yannick, Nathalie is right. Government and religion is totally divided so you can't find anything Islamic in the law.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is religion in the law. What I mean is that there is a tutelar of religions by the governement through the diyanet (presidency of religious affairs for those who don't know)

So either it has changed recently, either my sources are outdated. But because of the diyanet, you cannot say that gov and religion are totally divided.
 
Blacken the angle said:
Jordan is a true ally to Israel You know why ?
cos it gave israel the plans of the 1973 October war !

so does'nt that seem like it's a true ally ?

anyway..

Kemal Attatork has banned the "Adhan"
Turkey Has it's own porn industry (channels , movies , etc..)
Turkey produces (wine , Alcholic beverages )

I am asking those questions because turkey was the heart of the muslim empire (during the ottomans rule )
but now its seems that it's not related to the Islam , Well officialy ..

I just want to know if the turkish were muslims how did they accept kemal attaturk as a Ruler ?

Do they really choose him ?

and btw early ottomans made their best to spread their faith into europ
I'll keep an eye on your next posts. But at the moment, regarding your arguments and your previous post, I think you're trolling (typically, first posts very naive, waiting for answer, and then flooding with raw argumentation).

End of thread for me.
 
BC-A said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is religion in the law. What I mean is that there is a tutelar of religions by the governement through the diyanet (presidency of religious affairs for those who don't know)

So either it has changed recently, either my sources are outdated. But because of the diyanet, you cannot say that gov and religion are totally divided.
yes you are right. we claim to have a secular government but the existence of diyanet makes this not very possible. simply the idea is to hold radical islamists under control so that they don't cause trouble anymore. if there was not diyanet, people would learn islam from different groups and most of those "different groups" hate the regime and would want it to collapse, or they simply want to exploit the religious beliefs of the people and become richer, so it would be dangerous. also diyanet makes sure that religious teaching goes together with rational sciences.
btw i'm surprised and somehow glad that you know turkey in so much detail :)
 
Blacken the angle said:
Kemal Attatork has banned the "Adhan"
Turkey Has it's own porn industry (channels , movies , etc..)
Turkey produces (wine , Alcholic beverages )

I am asking those questions because turkey was the heart of the muslim empire (during the ottomans rule )
but now its seems that it's not related to the Islam , Well officialy ..

I just want to know if the turkish were muslims how did they accept kemal attaturk as a Ruler ?

Do they really choose him ?

and btw early ottomans made their best to spread their faith into europ
I'll try to answer these questions so that other people reading this topic won't be confused by your biased questions.
First of all, Atatürk didn't ban the Ezan. It was the second president, İsmet İnönü who banned it. In fact it wasn't even banned, it was just translated into Turkish. Then the 3rd government made it Arabic again. So today we still have the original Ezan. It can be heard from all mosques.
About porn and wine... You say we are not muslims because we have porn and wine? So you say Iran for example doesn't have porn and wine? :Smug:
Turkey has secular democracy, meaning that the state itself doesn't have a religion. It is logical since a state is not a human and not even a living thing, just a symbol therefore it cannot be muslim. Claiming that a country is muslim is not logical. It is the people who have religions. Therefore the government cannot control anything about religion. The government cannot say "Hey we are muslims and we don't allow alcohol in here!" because the state cannot be muslim as it cannot be christian, buddhist or whatever either. So the government thought that allowing alcohol and porn officialy makes sure that you can control it
Mustafa Kemal (Atatürk) was the hero of the war of independence (and before that, the war at Gallipoli) and he made us unite and beat the imperialist invaders. So the people had great respect for him, and complete trust in him. Since when the Ottoman Empire began to collapse, religous and monarchic governing brought nothing but trouble. So we had to have a democratic republic and Atatürk helped found democracy. And it was all in legal ways. First a parliament was assembled, consisting people chosen by a big election, and it decided on the war of independence. Then, after the war the parliament chose Mustafa Kemal Atatürk as president. So yes, mostly Turkish people are muslims and yes, they have chosen Atatürk as president. He hasn't done anything against Islam. He just wanted us to keep up with the modern world. I am pretty honoured to have had such a great leader, and most of the muslim or nonmuslim Turks feel the same way.
 
thank uou UnConscious for your answers , now I got evrey thing I wnated to know about Turkey , My main source of information was Wikipedia.org , so please I'm so sorry , I did'nt mean anything wrong I was just seeking help cos I love History , and I wanted multiple sources of Information to be close to the Truth as much as possible thanks for you guys , I did'nt mean to bother you in any away.
btw can you put this information in wikipedia.org you can edit any page in it
 
Blacken the angle

First of all ; porn, gambling etc is illegal and have big punishments in Turkish Laws.

* Kemal Atatork is not correct. The Correct name Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK and we call him "ULU ÖNDER" means THE GREATEST LEADER

*We believe in ALLAH and all Turks borns as MUSLIM ! yes there are christians and jewish. And all Turkish People respects their choices.

*Turkey produces vine,beer and RAKI. And Turks are the founder of vine in 10th cebtuny. We called "KIMIZ"

* Do you know anythinh about Mustafa Kemal ? i dont think so in 1919 when the OTTOMAN EMPIRE getting down Mustafa Kemal and his soldiers started war. And he build all the Anatolian from zero. He defated English,French,German,Russian and Greek and All other enemies in Anatolia who wnat to share Ottoman Empire Land's. He is the founder of Moder Turkish Republic.

And if you want more information and more true information contact with me : sonatdj4u@hotmail.com.

AND NEVER FORGET THIS TURKEY IS MODERN ISLAMIC EUROPEAN REPUBLIC !
 
Blacken the angle said:
thank uou UnConscious for your answers , now I got evrey thing I wnated to know about Turkey , My main source of information was Wikipedia.org , so please I'm so sorry , I did'nt mean anything wrong I was just seeking help cos I love History , and I wanted multiple sources of Information to be close to the Truth as much as possible thanks for you guys , I did'nt mean to bother you in any away.
btw can you put this information in wikipedia.org you can edit any page in it
you're welcome :)
i'll check the wikipedia pages though i don't think there is such information there, at least i read it a few months ago and it was fine. anyway it might have changed or you may have stumbled upon a vandalized page