Confused About Turkey

[UnConscious]

Blacken the angle

First of all ; porn, gambling etc is illegal and have big punishments in Turkish Laws.

* Kemal Atatork is not correct. The Correct name Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK and we call him "ULU ÖNDER" means THE GREATEST LEADER

*We believe in ALLAH and all Turks borns as MUSLIM ! yes there are christians and jewish. And all Turkish People respects their choices.

*Turkey produces vine,beer and RAKI. And Turks are the founder of vine in 10th cebtuny. We called "KIMIZ"

* Do you know anythinh about Mustafa Kemal ? i dont think so in 1919 when the OTTOMAN EMPIRE getting down Mustafa Kemal and his soldiers started war. And he build all the Anatolian from zero. He defated English,French,German,Russian and Greek and All other enemies in Anatolia who wnat to share Ottoman Empire Land's. He is the founder of Moder Turkish Republic.

And if you want more information and more true information contact with me : sonatdj4u@hotmail.com.

AND NEVER FORGET THIS TURKEY IS MODERN ISLAMIC EUROPEAN REPUBLIC !

turkey is not an islamic republic to be fully correct. and we didn't fight russians and germans. germans were already defeated like the ottomans (almanya yenilince biz de yenilmiş sayıldık diye bir geyik vardır hani ) and they couldn't invade turkey of course. and russians didn't invade either, in fact the soviets sent weapon aid during the last big battle (büyük taarruz) since we were fighting against imperialism and they sure didn't want the english to become their neighbours in asia.
btw yeah you sure are right about kımız have you ever tasted it? i'd like to try but it's hard to find. maybe in kazakhstan or kirgizistan it's easy

 

[ariana]

they are still making kımız in kirgizistan i guess ( i heard it or something )

 

[BC-A]

yes you are right. we claim to have a secular government but the existence of diyanet makes this not very possible. simply the idea is to hold radical islamists under control so that they don't cause trouble anymore. if there was not diyanet, people would learn islam from different groups and most of those "different groups" hate the regime and would want it to collapse, or they simply want to exploit the religious beliefs of the people and become richer, so it would be dangerous. also diyanet makes sure that religious teaching goes together with rational sciences.

And this is a very interesting point, cause here in France the same things has recently happend. Recently, the interior minister created an counsel of the cult. It is not directly led by the government (cause there would be a new revolution here by loosing our "secular" history), but this is only a facade. The aim is to have a control the cults, and mostly Islam.

BTW, I think i read somewhere that religion is displayed on the nationality card in turkey, is it true? (too lazy to search by myself )

btw i'm surprised and somehow glad that you know turkey in so much detail

Thanks

 

[Turkey-OL-Fan]

abi rusyayı ne zaman yazmışım ben oraya ya=? sinirden kafam kıyaktı galiba bayaa bi döktürmüşüm

 

[siriusian]

abi rusyayı ne zaman yazmışım ben oraya ya=? sinirden kafam kıyaktı galiba bayaa bi döktürmüşüm

Osmanlı zamanında I. Dünya Savaşında Doğuda Kafkas cephesinde Çarlık Rusyasıyla savaşmamış mıydık? Sarıkamış cephesinde 90000 asker de donarak şehit olmamışmıydı? Demek ki biraz sakin olmak lazımmış.

BTW, BC-A, yeah in Turkish IDs it reads the religion line. And every Turkish baby is born Moslem as "default"(!)

 

[Turkey-OL-Fan]

kurtuluş savaşında bildiğim kadarıla ruslar ile savaşmadık=?

 

[Morticia NL.]

Blacken- you are right to ask your questions in this place. But keep in mind that even the Turkish don't all see things the same.
I alwasy try to read multiple sources, but in the internet it is hard to check if the stuff you read is ok or just propaganda.

 

[siriusian]

kurtuluş savaşında bildiğim kadarıla ruslar ile savaşmadık=?

Ben öyle mi yazdım? I. Dünya Savaşı dedim!!!

 

[siriusian]

Bu arada vine ne demek? Şarap ise kımız şarap sayılmaz. Şarabı bildiğim kadarıyla binlerce yıl önce Eski Yunanlar bulmuştu.

 

[UnConscious]

türkiye de şarap üretiminde oldukça ileridir, o yüzden belirtilmiş olsa gerek. kımız da alkollü olduğu için örnek olarak verildi, şarap olduğu için değil..

 

[Blacken the angel]

BTW, BC-A, yeah in Turkish IDs it reads the religion line. And every Turkish baby is born Moslem as "default"(!)

Even if his parents were chritisans or jews ? thats very odd !
so there's some kinda of relation between the laws and the relegion .

but generally all Turkish agree that Mr Mostafa Kemal Attaturk was a Great Leader RIGHT ?


btw Nathali you're right I got my info from the internet the first place then I came here to see if it's true

(sorry if I misspelled your name)

 

[UnConscious]

Even if his parents were chritisans or jews ? thats very odd !
so there's some kinda of relation between the laws and the relegion .

but generally all Turkish agree that Mr Mostafa Kemal Attaturk was a Great Leader RIGHT ?


btw Nathali you're right I got my info from the internet the first place then I came here to see if it's true

(sorry if I misspelled your name)

No if his parents are christian or jew it's written accordingly.
According to the law nobody can be forced to reveal his/her religious belief but on the other hand it -theoritically- writes on the ID! Anyway it's a very stupid thing and is not used anywhere at all except for maybe statistical purposes. I hope and believe that it will be removed from the ID sooner or later.

 

[Folklore]

Jordan is a true ally to Israel You know why ?
cos it gave israel the plans of the 1973 October war !

The only halp israel got in 73 from Jordan, is that king Hussein reported the Israeli goverment about the Syrian and Egyptian plans to attack israel. The Jordanian had a clear anti-syrian agenda back then, since Damascus was the main supporter of PLO terror activity in Amman. Later as the war started, Jordan sent intensification forces to the frontier, to join the syrian army. Iraq did that as well, but those forces did not change the Israeli take over of tel-shams, in the Golan hights.

You can claim that the Jordanian goverment is an ally to Israel nowadays, if you concider the industrian/ business co-operation. The nation in Jordan, however, is not fully accepting this status quo and it is seen in anti-israeli political protests.

 

[Morticia NL.]

And then there are also people living in Jordan that support Israel or are pro peace at least.
I think you can find this in any country, even in the Netherlands

 

[Blacken the angel]

Can you eleborate more on how do people in Jordan support Israel ?

 

[Folklore]

you can always look online for pro-israeli activity in jordan mate.

 

[Blacken the angel]

you can always look online for pro-israeli activity in jordan mate.

But not always I will get the real answers because simply there are many points of views and , how come would I know which one would reflect the facts ? .

The only halp israel got in 73 from Jordan, is that king Hussein reported the Israeli goverment about the Syrian and Egyptian plans to attack israel. The Jordanian had a clear anti-syrian agenda back then, since Damascus was the main supporter of PLO terror activity in Amman. Later as the war started, Jordan sent intensification forces to the frontier, to join the syrian army..

so Jordan betrayed the Arabs then send it's forces to join the syrian army :Smug: thats very irrational .
and you said Only what do you want more than that ?
and from my point of view I don't think that the golan heights must be returned to syria , cos the population is very happy , never heard of some kind of unrest or something like that in golan .

 

[Folklore]

i cant believe I wrote halp instead of help LOL Im so good, sometimes
King Hussein - I think it didnt help Israel at all. I guess he knew that with Meir as prime minister here it would do no good because she was not a good prime minister. She ignored the palestinian problem, and also poured fire on social gaps in Israel, making Israel severely unstable. Just telling the Israeli goverment that "they are planning war on you" is not enough, there has to be proofs and papers. Also, Fist telling about the plans, and later attack Israel as well, is not a really reliable act for a King.

If youre that desperate to know more about Jurdan, why not asking Jordanians or travelling to Amman to see for yourself? You have a wonderful press-curiosity which is great, you can be a good reporter!

Now allow me to ask something which you never mentioned before. What is your name? Where are you from? How old are you?
You came to our forum and never told us about yourself?

 

[RashomoN]

Avi, there's a lot of things we don't know about all these situations.....
everything is backstage.....

I believe that king Hussein really wanted to help Israel those days.....we had a lot in common (don't forget that Arrafat himself tried to kill him).
the meeting between the two was good.....but Meir didn't think it will fall so fast.

In my opinion, king Hussein was one of the greatest leaders in our region....
and I always believed that I will see an Israeli leader shake his hand, in peace agreement.

the "problem" with Jordan is that still there are 60% palestinians, who wants to return to Palestine......so we can't ignore the hatred against us......
as I said many times before.....this is (unfortunately) a neverending story!
:/

 

[Blacken the angel]

So King Hussein was willing to help but when he gave the war plans to Israel , They did'nt beleive he was so loyal and very helpful , so they rejected the plans and the 73 war was a shock to the Israel but nonetheless Israel won it , they took over The Golan Heights and crushed the Arabic Army like they did in many times.

the "problem" with Jordan is that still there are 60% palestinians, who wants to return to Palestine......so we can't ignore the hatred against us......
as I said many times before.....this is (unfortunately) a neverending story!
:/

Palestine, there is nothing called Palestine it won't exist , you will never find it in any map maybe you meant Israel ?