Controversial opinions on metal

What would you call that? I could accept simply "progressive metal", but the whole metalcore-fear makes no sense to me.
 
For the record I don't mind PTH and actually think they're an alright band but I just don't think they have anything on a band like Vektor. They're both two separate genres and aren't comparable for that matter.
 
Ignore Protest the Hero "as a band". I'm talking about that single album, and it's more an homage to the heyday of 80's prog/thrash than anything the actual "retro thrash" wave has produced. Black Future takes from a different side of it, but otherwise they're the only two albums reviving the style that I know of, and I feel doubly a need to compare them due to the eternal fap-fest that Vektor receives.
 
That song that HamburgerBoy just posted doesn't sound too bad to my ears, actually. I really liked the first part of it (before the 1 minute mark). I'm really tired of all the canned opinions on metal forums.
 
The Ozzman said:
Queensryche's early material is severely underrated and The Warning is the best progressive metal album of all time
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Not really that controversial, although The Warning is pretty light on the prog. The first five Queensryche albums (and S/T EP) are pretty much perfect.
 
I've started to prefer their debut ep over The Warning, but I'm still a big fan of the latter. It's just that the ep kicks more ass on a more primal, visceral level, although I guess the style they were going for then may have been a little less original than what you find on The Warning. As far as early prog metal (maybe proto-prog metal, if you'd prefer that term), my favorite is Fates Warning's Awaken the Guardian. Nothing beats that one for me.
 
I still need to pick up their EP. I had Rage for Order at one point, but I didn't like it as much as the 1st/3rd albums so I sold it. I need to invest in RfO, the EP and Empire here soon
 
Empire has a lot of catchy songs on it, but it's poppier than earlier albums. I can still listen to it just fine. I just respect their earlier material more.
 
Promised Land is their best, near-abandonment-of-metal be damned.

The Ozzman said:
What would you consider The Warning then? I was going to say heavy/power at first..
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Not to say it isn't progressive, especially for its time, but it's kind of like calling Bathory's S/T the best black metal album of all time. Some of the elements were clearly there, and it obviously influenced a lot judging by the many (semi-)clones it inspired, but in the context of "progressive metal" I wouldn't call it the best.

The Ozzman said:
I still need to pick up their EP. I had Rage for Order at one point, but I didn't like it as much as the 1st/3rd albums so I sold it. I need to invest in RfO, the EP and Empire here soon
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Rage for Order took the longest to grow on me, but I think it's pretty much excellent now. In some ways it's kind of poppy itself like Empire, but the keyboards and occasional use of electronic drumpads give it a really cold and kind of dark atmosphere to it. Songs like Neue Regel and London don't really sound like anything done in metal prior to its release.
 
- Megadeth's Rust in Peace blows away every Metallica album.
- Necrophagist's "music" is just mindless wankery.
 
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