I can't accept you calling extreme vocals a perscussive element because it isn't really something that you can say without being wrong. Also, all sounds, including percussion beats, have a pitch and frequency.
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Yet often times it is clearly the case. And it isn't just my personal opinion, this is something many people who listen to extreme metal will tell you. In extreme metal the vocals often serve a very percussive role for the band. This is a fact. For some fans, this percussive element is part of the appeal.
Satanstoenail
My Larpstyle determines my Derpstyle
What you mean is rhythmic, not percussive. Percussive means to create rhythm by hitting something and clearly that's not the case with vocals.
Yes, and vocals are not in that category for obvious reasons.
Bass is also a rhythm instrument. Is it a form of percussion when used as intended? No.
Bass is also a rhythm instrument. Is it a form of percussion when used as intended? No.
Satanstoenail
My Larpstyle determines my Derpstyle
I posted five songs where the vocals clearly had a discernable pattern that was beyond being a rhythmic element. Some of the songs even had verse-chorus song structures. I could post hundreds of songs if I felt like it, because it isn't an isolated thing. Harsh vocals are not a form of percussion.
You don't like them. Your reasoning in this topic is incorrect and that's just fact.
You don't like them. Your reasoning in this topic is incorrect and that's just fact.
Satanstoenail
My Larpstyle determines my Derpstyle
I'm afraid I just disagree, as I've already explained why.
All I've done is give rational reasons why I personally think harsh vocals ruin the sound of metal. You can disagree if you like, but it doesn't make any sense for you to irrationally deny the fact that extreme vocals are not melodic in nature. If you like them, great. But don't try to make it sound like they are somehow as melodic as clean vocals, because they're not. Again, I don't see why you wouldn't accept this. If you like harsh vocals for what they are, why try to argue that they are something that they're not?
Alright, well good. And that is my reasoning for disliking them. So what's wrong with holding that opinion?
I said that they often serve a percussive role in the band, and that they are comparable to the sound of percussion in that they do not carry a discernible melody. How is any of that wrong?
That isn't the way they are used in songs. That's why it's wrong.
Rhythmic singing or chanting and other rhythm elements that are not percussion have more in common with the way extreme vocals are used when not part of a defined verse or chorus used than percussion does. That's just reality. They aren't percussion and that isn't something that can be based on opinion.
Rhythmic singing or chanting and other rhythm elements that are not percussion have more in common with the way extreme vocals are used when not part of a defined verse or chorus used than percussion does. That's just reality. They aren't percussion and that isn't something that can be based on opinion.
J.
Old Fart
James Labrie singing "beautiful melodious melodies" over Transilvanian Hunger just doesnt sound appealing
But surely, you must be able to see why such a comparison is suitable, given that you agree that the vocals don't carry a discernible melody. It is much like the example of the cymbals that I brought up earlier.
So I think I'll just reiterate my point. It is due to the lack of melody in extreme metal vocals that makes me dislike them. I find them redundant because of this lack of melodic quality. I don't see how there's anything unreasonable about this position.
Baroque
Active Member
Do you dislike instrumental metal because it lacks melodic vocals?
If you view harsh vocals as percussive then how does that detract from the music? It's just extra drums to you so just think of it as instrumental metal?
Sometimes only harsh vocals fit the music imo.
@GuiltySpawn
I don't see the comparison at all, but the way that you explained your opinion makes much more sense than the way that you did earlier. For me, there's much more to music than discernable vocal melodies.
I don't see the comparison at all, but the way that you explained your opinion makes much more sense than the way that you did earlier. For me, there's much more to music than discernable vocal melodies.
@Baroque
I think in some cases no vocals at all are appropriate in certain music. I think it's often the case that in progressive or technical death metal, it would sound way better if they just removed the vocals all together. So no, I don't dislike instrumental metal for lacking melodic vocals. I dislike music that includes harsh vocals when they don't sound right being there.
I think the tone of harsh vocals drowns out the melodies underneath it, and that's how it detracts from the music.
@Omni
I'll once again bring up the cymbal example. Cymbals are percussion instruments because of the fact that they have no discernible melody. They can vary in pitch, but the tone is so overly harsh and distorted that no true melodic note is made when they are struck. The same is true for harsh vocals.
The reason I dislike this type of overly distorted voice, is because for me the role of the singer and the very definition of "singing" is to produce melody, and I enjoy hearing various vocal melodies on top of the instruments. I just don't understand the point of a vocalist completely eliminating his singing voice from the band.
I think in some cases no vocals at all are appropriate in certain music. I think it's often the case that in progressive or technical death metal, it would sound way better if they just removed the vocals all together. So no, I don't dislike instrumental metal for lacking melodic vocals. I dislike music that includes harsh vocals when they don't sound right being there.
I think the tone of harsh vocals drowns out the melodies underneath it, and that's how it detracts from the music.
@Omni
I'll once again bring up the cymbal example. Cymbals are percussion instruments because of the fact that they have no discernible melody. They can vary in pitch, but the tone is so overly harsh and distorted that no true melodic note is made when they are struck. The same is true for harsh vocals.
The reason I dislike this type of overly distorted voice, is because for me the role of the singer and the very definition of "singing" is to produce melody, and I enjoy hearing various vocal melodies on top of the instruments. I just don't understand the point of a vocalist completely eliminating his singing voice from the band.
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