Controversial opinions on metal

[Vilden]

When I think of modern doom I see atleast two prominent branches. The slow Revbiz school and the occult rocky school like The Lamp of Thoth, Hour of 13, etc. Personally I think neither is that interesting. My favorite modern bands are the ones playing Candlemass inspired epicness like Forsaken. But I'm gay like that.

BTW, I don't view Atlantean Kodex or even later (post Of Empires...) While Heaven Wept as doom, it is epic heavy metal imo.

Edit: The best long ass Reverend Bizarre song is obviously Cirith Ungol with Anywhere Out of This World as second.

 

[CiG]

I was antsy about including them because I basically agree with you. I tend to prefer everything with an epic twist myself. My favourite modern doom metal band would have to be The Wizar'd I guess, perhaps tied with Reverend Bizarre.

 

[Krow]

Did anyone ever do that in any subgenre of doom metal before sleep released Jerusalem?

 

[CiG]

25 minute? Pah. Be real men like Sleep and make it an hour long.

I don't even like Sleep but Dopesmoker is pretty crazy, difference is they utilised hypnotic elements to make it digestible. Reverend Bizarre didn't give a fuck to do that, drugs can get you through Dopesmoker pretty easily too.

 

[CiG]

Sleep should record an album the length of III: So Long Suckers and see if their fans don't go broke buying drugs trying to digest it.

 

[rms]

I still don't get why Griftegard is ever talked about. People cite them as amazing but i've never seen anyone suggest them in the last 5 years. Comparing them to Warning, Rev Biz or Warning is simply insane to me.

 

[CiG]

I think they're pretty great. Or are you suggesting they aren't doom metal?

 

[rms]

I can barely somber through one song, I think they're garbage (with a fancy a for garbage)

but you said Kodex is doom so I don't think you know what the hell you're talking about

 

[CiG]

(if they count, they're just as heavy metal as they are doom metal if not more)

Reading is hard.

 

[rms]

well they aren't doom at all, so....

 

[CiG]

Sure, there's zero doom metal in songs like "Enthroned In Clouds And Fire (The Great Cleansing)" or "Temple Of Katholic Magick."

They're obviously not at all influenced by epic doom metal bands like Scald or Solstice either, even though members have explicitly stated this.

You're acting as if I compared them to Saint Vitus or something.

 

[rms]

Influenced =/= are doom metal, but I see you think 2 songs out of 21 over 3 releases makes them 'just as doom as they are heavy.'

 

[CiG]

*"Just as heavy metal as they are doom metal, if not more."

If you're going to quote me, do it accurately.

But you're right, having doom metal influences obviously = "well they aren't doom at all, so...."

 

[Omni]

I still don't get why Griftegard is ever talked about. People cite them as amazing but i've never seen anyone suggest them in the last 5 years. Comparing them to Warning, Rev Biz or Warning is simply insane to me.

Warning is so good that you listed them twice.

 

[rms]

They really are, I hope you're not one of them losers who doesn't like 40 Watt Sun

 

[Omni]

I haven't bought the album, but it seems good. I definitely don't think it's as good or distinctive as Watching from a Distance after listening to the entire album a few times on YouTube.

 

[rms]

I'll sell you my copy when I move home <3

 

[alex76]

Controversial Opinion:

... or maybe not, but the second half of Testament's Souls of Black is quite a bit superior to the first half. Might not be some great revelation, but it has taken me years to figure that out.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I don't think enough people like that album for it to be controversial, but I think the first half is a little stronger. There's only three songs I'd call good, and Malpractice is the only one in the second half. Love to Hate is one of their least inspired songs ever as well imo.

I will say that it's still a better album than PWYP, to be controversial.

 

[Caecius]

Souls of Black is okay from what I remember -- it has been a long time since I listened to it. I like 'The New Order' more than most people do.