Baroque
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I'm saying the truest and purest idea of what metal is has evolved over the years. Trad metal started as the purest form of metal, but that's not what metal aspires to be anymore. It's an antiquated version of metal.
I'd agree with doom metal over thrash and death if there weren't so many polluting stoner and prefixed xxtreem doom bands these days.
Which metal are you speaking on behalf of? Because anybody even slightly into metal would surely have noticed the massive shift in direction lately with metal musicians. In many ways, backwards has become the new forwards.
I disagree with everything you've said and implied and also I think you've entirely missed the point, when it comes to rating subgenres on a metal purity basis. All you're doing is making an argument for popularity disparity among the subgenres.
Not to mention Metallica aren't even that far removed from traditional heavy metal. Live in the future all you like, doesn't make your views more relevant than anybody else's of course, the fundamental objective point is that there is such a thing as metal purity and it has nothing to do with outsider reactions, popular opinion or a general distaste for foundational metal music.
I honestly can see their point too. Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath are very classic rock radio station friendly compared to a lot of modern metal, or even 80's metal. There's nothing about that music that seems counter popular music culture, or even very heavy these days. It's as easy to listen to as like Led Zeppelin.
Ranking of each genre's overall metalness in order from most to least:
Trad metal
Power metal
Thrash metal = death metal
Doom metal
Groove metal
Non-prefixed black metal
Prog metal
Metalcore
Alternative metal = nu metal
Goth metal = folk metal
Prefixed black metal
Ranking of each genre's overall metalness in order from most to least:
Trad metal
Power metal
Thrash metal = death metal
Doom metal
Groove metal
Non-prefixed black metal
Prog metal
Metalcore
Alternative metal = nu metal
Goth metal = folk metal
Prefixed black metal
Ozzman, the guy that expects everyone to preface their opinions with "in my opinion."
Hey now, watch it with the prefixed black metal there. You're definitely not wrong in some cases, but you're very wrong in others. Prefixed black metal is probably one of the broadest genres since BM mixes so well with so many other genres, in varying proportions, levels of heaviness, etc.
You're following metal forwards, what's the difference? We're talking about metal purity, if you think it's a bullshit concept that's fair enough but if you're trying to tell me that for example, technical death metal is more metal ("metalness") than NWOBHM that makes zero sense to me and the uneducated reactions of your students changes that very little.
I can only interpret this as a defect in your perception of heavy metal music, likely brought upon by a preference for metal that is heavily removed from it's roots.
Edit: I'd also like to point out that it's somewhat ironic to be called a follower because I personally take a preservationist stance when it comes to heavy metal even though as far as I can tell the metal masses overwhelmingly support evolution in metal. People like me are a minority, at least in my experience.
I'm not following anybody backwards or forwards, I'm just trying to pick a spot I like and stand still as much as I can.
He's wrong about most things, so just disregard him.No fucking way Metalcore bands are more metal than Type O Negative. Wrong.
A style of music tending to be combined with music that isn't metal definitely isn't a good example of music that is more metal than other types of metal.