Controversial opinions on metal

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Except for maybe some Melvins-y stuff on the first album, Nirvana is not remotely metal. Has nothing to do with heaviness or anything, but rather that they were simply derived from punk music. Even the poppiest hair metal bands have more in common with metal than Nirvana does.

I dont think anyone here said they're a metal band.

but anyway, plenty of metal was derived form punk you twat.

Also, they have a SHIT LOAD of tracks that could very easily be classified as metal, on just about all of their albums.

Even the poppiest hair metal bands have more in common with metal than Nirvana does

i know you love to hate on the band every chance you get, but you are honestly out of your fucking mind.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Plenty of metal was influenced by punk, but not derived from it. Most of the early thrash bands were about 90% NWOBHM, 10% hardcore. With Nirvana, it's more like half punk, half indie, with a small portion of the punk featuring some metal influence (bands like Melvins, Celtic Frost, maybe a couple others).

I don't hate on Nirvana at all bro, is this a sensitive issue for you? Show me a single metal song on In Utero.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

You don't hate nirvana? Do you honestly go back on just about everything you say? This has become a trend with you. I've seen you shit on the band(and grunge altogether) countless times here as if Kurt Cobain personally plugged your dads ass or something.

Anyway, there's plenty of metal scattered all throughout that album. Maybe you should go back and listen to it again. For example, the chorus on Heart Shaped Box alone is heavier and more metal than anything kiss, motley crue or any of those garbage pop rock bands have ever done.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Smells Like Teen Spirit was one of my favorite songs as a kid, and I liked the other songs I knew from the radio as well. It took me a while to actually get around to listening to their full albums, but I'm pretty sure I've never hated on Nirvana.

lmao @ Heart-Shaped Box being more metal than Live Wire or The Oath.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Man, are you going to make me go back and find your posts again? Or is it maybe you were shitting on grunge but not nirvana? I'm not sure but it was something along those lines.

Most of the early thrash bands were about 90% NWOBHM, 10% hardcore.

Oh yes, because we all know that KIMB, KEA, Show No Mercy etc are 90% NWOBHM.

out of your fuckin' mind bro.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Go ahead. I've always said that grunge and pop punk on the radio (ROCK 105.3) was one of my favorite things as a kid.

I was talking about influence, in case it wasn't obvious. I'm saying that the predominant influences in the early bands were from Venom, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest (not NWOBHM in case I have to point that out), Diamond Head, Holocaust, etc, with some musicians (Hanneman, Holt, Hammett) also influenced by hardcore punk, but punk riffing is minor at best in the early thrash albums.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Early thrash is predominantly influenced by NWOBHM and similar bands. That isn't even debatable.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

... no one denied that. But to say "early thrash is 90% NWOBHM" is pretty ridiculous.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Thanks for this argument btw, just did an ego search involving my early musical preferences mentioned on other forums and found this old post from when I was 12 years old:

I prefer Heavy Metal...

Metallica
Megadeath
Guns n' Roses
DIO
...

But seriously... I like gaming music the most... I fall to sleep with the Deus Ex soundtrack blaring loud... I daydream listening to Kirby or Mario lcassic songs...(as in the NES or SNES)... and Marathon 1 music was GREAT! I have the cd... so I can listen to that... but I lost the cd-key :'(...

Kirby fuck yeah. This also settles conclusively whether or not GnR were metal.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

fuck yeah, classic Mario songs are where it's at.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

... no one denied that. But to say "early thrash is 90% NWOBHM" is pretty ridiculous.

I fail to see why that would be ridiculous, personally. It doesn't matter though because it's clear that you just like arguing and feeling like you're right about things.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Wish I listened to Metallica when I was 12 years old.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I fail to see why that would be ridiculous, personally.

I dunno, maybe your ears don't work properly?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Seek & Destroy is basically just a mild change of Sucking My Love (and while I don't see others mentioning it, I think Phantom Lord very strongly resembles Priest's Rapid Fire as well), the early Exodus song Warlords steals its main riff right out of Holocaust's Death or Glory, Crionics takes directly from Transylvania, I mean it's pretty clear that the early thrash bands worshiped NWOBHM above all. Obviously they took things to a higher level of intensity, stripped away any remnants of hard rock, gradually sped things up, etc, but it's still a direct evolution. I think the "thrash = hardcore + metal" meme is heavily exaggerated, whereas Nirvana was full of punk/hardcore influence from the beginning.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

@TechnicalBarbarity

I think my ears work just fine. If you like, you're free to actually explain why I'm wrong instead of posting idiotic drivel. Preferably in terms of actual musical structure.

If that's too hard for you, as I suspect, you could also just stop posting about it.

 

[Internally Deformed]

I think the "thrash = hardcore + metal" meme is heavily exaggerated, whereas Nirvana was full of punk/hardcore influence from the beginning.

True about the extent to which NOWBHM bands influenced the bay area scene. The hardcore influence was mostly in the rhythm department - thrash wouldn't be so punchy without Discharge.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

For some reason you nitwits seem to be implying that i said NWOBHM didnt influence thrash. But let me get this straight, are we talking about influence here or are you saying "early thrash is 90% NWOBHM"? Because both me and you(HBB) how idiotic that statement is. And you seem to be forgetting, im over 30 years old and have been listening to metal my whole life, no need for you(or anyone else here honestly) to try and give me some kind of history lesson about where and how my favorite sub genre of metal was derived from or who they were influenced by. Most of you guys were still sucking on your moms tits when i was listening to those albums you guys are trying to dissect.

@TechnicalBarbarity

I think my ears work just fine. If you like, you're free to actually explain why I'm wrong instead of posting idiotic drivel. Preferably in terms of actual musical structure.

If that's too hard for you, as I suspect, you could also just stop posting about it.

I thought it was clear in my response ... how the fuck can you listen to any of those three albums i mentioned and go "hmmm, this is 90% NWOBHM"? Seems like your ears arent the only part of you that's not functioning properly.

 

[alex76]

Fight, my children....

FIGHT!!!!!!!

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Okay, so you can't explain what I asked you to explain. Just as I suspected.

 

[MrTagoMago]

You could explain your reasoning behind responding with this emoji.