Controversial opinions on metal

[CiG]

There is an entire genre of that? of copying Sabbath ? really ? that is very amusing. See, I am out of the loop, I am old school heavy rock fan. I am out of the loop since the mid nineties. So I cant form an opinion on `doom metal`. But I imagine we can invent another genre of `metal` today, here, that never existed before by using a keyword before the word metal. A word that is synonimous with Horror.

That's no excuse, doom metal has existed since the late 70's.

Already been there and done that.

To your detriment.

Iron Claw and Bedemon are 70s bands.

Yes but nothing was released commercially by them until the 1990's.

 

[MrTagoMago]

By the way is it controversial to call Sea Shanties a metal album?

 

[MrTagoMago]

That's no excuse, doom metal has existed since the late 70's.



To your detriment.



Yes but nothing was released commercially by them until the 1990's.

I know that's part of the reason I brought them up actually.

 

[rusty water]

His whole reason for saying Black Sabbath isn't a metal band seems to stem from the fact that he doesn't like heavy metal but he likes Black Sabbath so therefore they must not be metal. He also doesn't seem to have much knowledge on metal in the first place, I mean going by his response to the Pentagram song posted, it seems he's never heard them before.

I find genre arguments to be completely asinine anyway, but his definition of what makes something heavy metal was dumb as fuck. It's like me defining rap and hip hop as music made by gangsters about banging hoes and shooting people just because I don't like it, which would be incredibly superficial of me.

You have a point, and I can understand why you think that. I am ignorant of todays metal and what have you, but I am not ignorant of Sabbath. And yes the genre thing, I have always hated pigeon-holing, but yes, with metal it cant be defined as anything else. I see Sabbath as `heavy rock` though.

 

[rusty water]

One of the problems I have is that Ronnie James Dio, he was a fave at Rainbow, that is heavy rock, and at Sabbath which in my opinion is heavy rock, however, when he went solo, there were new people buying the music then and he changed to metal. He changed, he became metal in Dio. I really like Holy Diver album, things like `rainbow in the dark`, but he was playing metal there.

 

[CiG]

Heavy rock pretty much is just heavy metal, you're playing semantics now. Unless you meant to say hard rock rather than heavy rock?

I know that's part of the reason I brought them up actually.

Care to explain? Because how would he know 70's bands that didn't release anything until the 90's if he self-admits that he fell out of the loop in the 90's?

 

[Internally Deformed]

Care to explain? Because how would he know 70's bands that didn't release anything until the 90's if he self-admits that he fell out of the loop in the 90's?

 

[rusty water]

Aye there no doubt has been traps set for me that Id have tripped if I had an ego, but I am being genuine with my posts.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Aye there no doubt has been traps set for me that Id have tripped if I had an ego, but I am being genuine with my posts.

It's true, you're all Id.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Heavy rock pretty much is just heavy metal, you're playing semantics now. Unless you meant to say hard rock rather than heavy rock?



Care to explain? Because how would he know 70's bands that didn't release anything until the 90's if he self-admits that he fell out of the loop in the 90's?

I was interested if he would try to spin that fact in his favor.

 

[rusty water]

Out of interest, what genre of music would you guys say that `guns n roses ` are?

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Is it controversial to think Cirith Ungol is a top-tier metal band that got a really raw deal and likely never reached their full potential due to financial difficulties and trouble with record labels?

 

[MrTagoMago]

One of the problems I have is that Ronnie James Dio, he was a fave at Rainbow, that is heavy rock, and at Sabbath which in my opinion is heavy rock, however, when he went solo, there were new people buying the music then and he changed to metal. He changed, he became metal in Dio. I really like Holy Diver album, things like `rainbow in the dark`, but he was playing metal there.

Solo Dio is hardly different than the stuff he did with Sabbath really.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Out of interest, what genre of music would you guys say that `guns n roses ` are?

Go back like 20 pages and there's a big debate on that.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Out of interest, what genre of music would you guys say that `guns n roses ` are?

Hard rock with metal elements.

Is it controversial to think Cirith Ungol is a top-tier metal band that got a really raw deal and likely never reached their full potential due to financial difficulties and trouble with record labels?

Don't think that would be controversial at all.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Is it controversial to think Cirith Ungol is a top-tier metal band that got a really raw deal and likely never reached their full potential due to financial difficulties and trouble with record labels?

I agree that they're awesome, but I'd chalk their lack of success up to the vocal style. Personally I like it, but it's an acquired taste.

 

[rusty water]

I was interested if he would try to spin that fact in his favor.

The thing is that the bands I grew up with they were behaving like rock bands would, on stage etc. However the point came where I saw Halford wearing the studded jacket and studded wrist bands and clenching his fist and screaming with veins popping out in head etc . At that pont , for me, it had gone wrong, they had got the wrong idea. They had exagerrated all the things from the pioneers and made it comical. They were doing it for the sake of it. That was the change. Then each new generation of bands started to try and out do the last until they were grunting like animals and their music sounded like an engine with the tappets out of synch.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Tim Baker was probably one of the most formative influences on my preference of vocalists.

 

[Internally Deformed]

The thing is that the bands I grew up with they were behaving like rock bands would, on stage etc. However the point came where I saw Halford wearing the studded jacket and studded wrist bands and clenching his fist and screaming with veins popping out in head etc .

I guess Halford's queerness does come out a bit in his aesthetic/on stage presence, which could put someone off. It's a pretty superficial reason not to like Heavy Metal music though.

 

[MrTagoMago]

The thing is that the bands I grew up with they were behaving like rock bands would, on stage etc. However the point came where I saw Halford wearing the studded jacket and studded wrist bands and clenching his fist and screaming with veins popping out in head etc .

I dont think stage persona has anything to do about the genre of music itself.