Controversial opinions on metal

[MrTagoMago]

Honestly, In The Court Of The Crimson King is not my favourite album by them in the first place.

I pretty much prefer everything up to Red and hell, I even prefer Discipline.

I think I mentioned the only other album I listened to thoroughly was Red which I think I liked better but I still didn't think it was one of the best albums I ever heard. It does deserve a relisten though.

 

[no country for old wainds]

'i talk to the wind' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'the fool on the hill'

give me 'strawberry fields forever' over both though.

 

[The Ozzman]

Honestly, In The Court Of The Crimson King is not my favourite album by them in the first place.

I pretty much prefer everything up to Red and hell, I even prefer Discipline.

Same. I really like the Belew era King Crimson. More commercial sounding but still proggy enough.

 

[CiG]

Same. I really like the Belew era King Crimson. More commercial sounding but still proggy enough.

They have a fuller sound which just appeals so much to me.

 

[The Ozzman]

They have a fuller sound which just appeals so much to me.

It could be Belew's voice. He was super stressed during that entire period because he was lyricist, primary songwriter and some other shit.

 

[CiG]

It could be Belew's voice. He was super stressed during that entire period because he was lyricist, primary songwriter and some other shit.

I'm not sure, maybe that's it? Just something about it sounds full and complete and rich in texture.

 

[The Ozzman]

I'm not sure, maybe that's it? Just something about it sounds full and complete and rich in texture.

I'll have to track down to see if they added instrumentation during that period. Wasn't Tony Levin the bass player in that era? That probably helps with the texture.

 

[CiG]

I'll have to track down to see if they added instrumentation during that period. Wasn't Tony Levin the bass player in that era? That probably helps with the texture.

The two 1980's albums I really really like are Discipline and Beat and yes you're right Tony Levin played bass. Whoever did the production deserves an award too.

 

[Yerfdaug]

Here's one that'll seem more backwards than Kris Kross to probably all of you. I enjoy and spin With Fear.... more than The Red in the Sky is Ours.

I also actually like the production on TRitSIO, even though I'm well aware it's shoddy and from what i remember in that Swedish Death Metal book, a horror to the band and done by someone who knew nothing about recording metal. In any case, I actually don't mind it because the production is so different from everything else of the time, and somehow actually sort of works with the single string counterpoint tremolo. In any case, the sound of With Fear is much better, and it's a vastly underrated album. People can jerk off to the originality of the debut, or the watered down melodies of the later shit masqueraded by a decent tone, but the sophomore never gets the respect it deserves (at least, from what I have gathered around this thing called the internet)

 

[The Ozzman]

I'll have to track down to see if they added instrumentation during that period. Wasn't Tony Levin the bass player in that era? That probably helps with the texture.

Found it on Wiki: Belew also plays guitar and KC never had a second guitar before. Probably why it sounds fuller

 

[Sirjack]

Big KC fan boy here. l love the first 8 albums up to Beat really. mid 80's KC blows but they came back superbly with Thrak.
Other favourite prog stuff - Gentle Giant, Brand X, Premiata Forneria Marconi, Gong (especially with Alan Holdsworth) Ayers Rock, UK
Lenny White solo stuff blah blah blah

 

[Phylactery]

Here's one that'll seem more backwards than Kris Kross to probably all of you. I enjoy and spin With Fear.... more than The Red in the Sky is Ours.

I also actually like the production on TRitSIO, even though I'm well aware it's shoddy and from what i remember in that Swedish Death Metal book, a horror to the band and done by someone who knew nothing about recording metal. In any case, I actually don't mind it because the production is so different from everything else of the time, and somehow actually sort of works with the single string counterpoint tremolo. In any case, the sound of With Fear is much better, and it's a vastly underrated album. People can jerk off to the originality of the debut, or the watered down melodies of the later shit masqueraded by a decent tone, but the sophomore never gets the respect it deserves (at least, from what I have gathered around this thing called the internet)

That's because With Fear I Kiss the Burning Darkness is massively inconsistent in quality. "The Break of Autumn" and "Primal Breath" are among the most inventive, passionate and breathtaking death metal songs I've ever heard. The drop in quality after "Primal Breath" is hugely noticeable. The following songs blend into an incoherent mess and they don't flow very well, despite having some interesting ideas in them. The production on it also doesn't suit some of the thrashier numbers, what with its razor thin guitar tone and thick layer of fuzz. Old Waind's is a huge fanboy of this album, so you're not alone.

The Red in the Sky is Ours is undoubtedly the superior record, not only because it's more consistent, but also I think it reaches higher peaks at its best (see "Kingdom Gone", "Through Gardens of Grief", "Within" and "Neverwhere"). I agree about the production on it, it's very fitting for the record and original. Originality is the name of this incredible record.

 

[MrTagoMago]

'i talk to the wind' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'the fool on the hill'

give me 'strawberry fields forever' over both though.

Strawberry fields forever is my fav Beatles track and one of my favorite songs period tbh.

 

[no country for old wainds]

it's my favourite beatles song too. the version on LOVE is well worth seeking out if you haven't heard it.

 

[MrTagoMago]

it's my favourite beatles song too. the version on LOVE is well worth seeking out if you haven't heard it.

I'll look it up didn't know there was another version of it.

While on the subject of the Beatles I'll say what tends to be a controversial opinion. I don't think Sgt Peppers is at all an overrated album and while it's certainly not my favorite album ever I'm fine with it being considered the greatest album ever. Revolver on the other hand I do find overrated and while it's a great album overall I do find it to be be one of the less enjoyable Beatles albums. Also I do not agree with the notion that The White album should've been slimmed down I think it's a great listen from Beggining to end.

Also The Yellow Submarine, Bungalow Bill, Octopuses Garden, and Maxwells Silver Hammer are all great songs.

 

[CiG]

I'll take Let It Be and self titled for my own favourites by them.

 

[MrTagoMago]

I'll take Let It Be and self titled for my own favourites by them.

By Self titled do you mean White album? I can't really pick a favorite between Sgt Pepper, Magical Muster Tour, White album, and Abbey Road but I'd probably say Magical Mystery Tour is the one I enjoy most consistently.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i strongly dislike SGT. PEPPER'S but it's hardly gonna be the most overrated album of all time in a universe where DARK SIDE OF THE MOON exists now is it

WITH THE BEATLES will always be my favourite despite the saggy centre and relative lack of ambition. much more likeable band before they got too big for their boots. there are exceptions i really like on nearly every album though. RUBBER SOUL or MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR would be my favs of their more acclaimed period, and maybe the white album which i haven't heard in ages.

 

[CiG]

Dark Side > Sgt. Peppers

By Self titled do you mean White album? I can't really pick a favorite between Sgt Pepper, Magical Muster Tour, White album, and Abbey Road but I'd probably say Magical Mystery Tour is the one I enjoy most consistently.

Yeah, "white album" I really like it. But I think I prefer Let It Be over all.

 

[Satanstoenail]

The White Album is my fave, closely followed by Revolver. Sgt. Peppers is definitely overrated. A Day in the Life is amazing though.