Controversial opinions on metal

[Elric of Melniboné]

I gave my reasons for why I think downloading is bad. Mainly related to entitlement and how it creates issues for bands and record labels.

I also gave evidence that people who said it wasn't stealing were incorrect. I already made it clear that my opinions are irrelevant in the discussion of what is and is not legal.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Why is Covenant Morbid Angels most successful album when fans seem to prefer Altars of madness and Blessed are the sick?

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/tech...e-in-the-mail/article22336673/?service=mobile

Here's an article about "notice and notice" laws in Canada, which further squelches any possible argument that using file sharing services to download music in Canada is not illegal.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Mainly related to entitlement and how it creates issues for bands and record labels.

Yes, but in cases where it won't create issues for bands or labels - i.e. if the record is rare and sells for hundreds of dollars second hand online, or if the "pirate" already spends plenty of money on buying music - why should the fact of piracy being legally classified as theft actually make it wrong to do?

That's what you're not responding to.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Why is Covenant Morbid Angels most successful album when fans seem to prefer Altars of madness and Blessed are the sick?

Actually, most fans do indeed prefer Covenant(not here though), and i cant blame them .... its a beast of an album and one death metals best.

I have it Altars > Blessed = Covenant >> Domination as far the the Steve Tucker albums go.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Yes, but in cases where it won't create issues for bands or labels - i.e. if the record is rare and sells for hundreds of dollars second hand online, or if the "pirate" already spends plenty of money on buying music - why should the fact of piracy being legally classified as theft actually make it wrong to do?

That's what you're not responding to.

I have alreadly explained that I oppose such behavior because you aren't entitled to steal something because of its obscurity.

Also, if the owner of the music doesn't have plans to reissue the album or make it available, that should legally be in their hands to decide. You don't get to decide for them. Again, an issue of entitlement.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-42/page-19.html#h-28

Have fun. You might need to learn to read legal texts in order to understand what this means. I do it regularly as part of my profession.

It basically making an unauthorized reproduction of copyrighted material is illegal if you need a tl;dr version. The possible penalties and process for legal action are also outlined here.

Why do you keep linking to laws concerning obligation of an internet provider to notify infringers? This one is more relevant:

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-42/page-8.html#docCont

Secondary infringement

(2) It is an infringement of copyright for any person to

(a) sell or rent out,

(b) distribute to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,

(c) by way of trade distribute, expose or offer for sale or rental, or exhibit in public,

(d) possess for the purpose of doing anything referred to in paragraphs (a) to (c), or

(e) import into Canada for the purpose of doing anything referred to in paragraphs (a) to (c),

a copy of a work, sound recording or fixation of a performer’s performance or of a communication signal that the person knows or should have known infringes copyright or would infringe copyright if it had been made in Canada by the person who made it.

Notice how none of those have to do with downloading for personal use?

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Explain to me how it can be legally required for an ISP to notify you that you're committing copyright infringement if you're downloading music or other copyrighted media and yet you can try to claim that it is not a form of copyright infringement. Please tell me how this is possible.

You lost the argument already. It's over.

 

[Internally Deformed]

I have alreadly explained that I oppose such behavior because you aren't entitled to steal something because of its obscurity.

Also, if the owner of the music doesn't have plans to reissue the album or make it available, that should legally be in their hands to decide. You don't get to decide for them. Again, an issue of entitlement.

If you found a brand new flat screen TV dumped in a ditch, would you consider taking it theft? For all you know, the owner of that TV wants it in the ditch, and would be devastated to find out that you'd removed it. What makes you entitled enough to decide that it would be better off not in the ditch and in your living room instead?

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

If you found a brand new flat screen TV dumped in a ditch, would you consider taking it theft? For all you know, the owner of that TV wants it in the ditch, and would be devastated to find out that you'd removed it. What makes you entitled enough to decide that it would be better off not in the ditch and in your living room instead?

You have no basis to make an analogy that requires you to know how I would behave in that situation since you don't know me at all.

 

[Internally Deformed]

You have no basis to make an analogy that requires you to know how I would behave in that situation since you don't know me at all.

...what?

The point of the analogy is that if you don't take the TV (which I'm actually even beginning to suspect now you might not), you're a complete moron.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I don't want it. I already own two large 4K resolution flat screen TVs and I don't have anywhere to put a third one. It also doesn't belong to me.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

If me choosing not to steal music makes me a complete moron, I sure am glad I'm not one of those smart people who faced lawsuits and criminal cases for that type of behavior.

 

[Internally Deformed]

I don't want it. I already own two large 4K resolution flat screen TVs and I don't have anywhere to put a third one. It also doesn't belong to me.

Is this you being autistically literal, or are you making the marginally less stupid observation that you're fine with your music collection the size it already is?

Either way, not everyone has two flat screen TV's, and not everyone is fine with listening to the same 10 or 12 trad metal bands over and over aud nauseum.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I'm fine with my music collection and my TV collection consisting solely of my own music and TV purchases.

Other people might not be as satisfied with their own lot, but I personally find them entitled and their excuses are usually pathetically weak.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Actually, most fans do indeed prefer Covenant(not here though), and i cant blame them .... its a beast of an album and one death metals best.

I have it Altars > Blessed = Covenant >> Domination as far the the Steve Tucker albums go.

I've never even heard of people mentioning Covenant. It's always the first two I hear about. I often hear people claim Altars of madness is the best Death metal album ever ofcourse I was never that big into it.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Yeah, i think Altars won "Best DM album of all time" in one of our threads from a little while ago.

Covenant was one of the first DM albums i purchased back in the day and def one of the most popular death metal albums from back then.

 

[Internally Deformed]

I'm fine with my music collection and my TV collection consisting solely of my own music and TV purchases.

Well there are plenty of great metal albums you're never going to hear, then. But I guess you don't miss what you never had.

I've never even heard of people mentioning Covenant. It's always the first two I hear about. I often hear people claim Altars of madness is the best Death metal album ever ofcourse I was never that big into it.

Covenant is great in its own way imo, but it's more of a commercial release than the first two. I reckon most of the people who consider it Morbid Angel's best are people who don't listen to a lot of other OSDM bands.

 

[Phylactery]

They had videos made for "Rapture" and "God of Emptiness" that showed on MTV if I remember, so more people were exposed to it I guess. The time it was released probably had something to do with its success as well. It's a mixed album for me where I really like half the tracks but don't much care for the other half.

Blessed > Altars >Abominations of Desolation >>>> Covenant.

Formulas Fatal to the Flesh is easily the best of the Tucker material imo.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Yeah, God of Emptiness was on Beevis and Butthead, lol.