Controversial opinions on metal

[Phylactery]

Listen to this. I mean you'll probably hate it because it's extreme metal, but it's extremely melodic. It also doesn't fit in with your description with what heavy metal is, despite obviously being a metal song. Maybe you're not talking about the entire genre of metal though and you're more referring to traditional metal.

 

[rusty water]

Yeah, I have to say that that song had a sort of melody in the guitar tune. The guitar line sounded like early Iron Maiden, sort of pahntom of the opera type stuff, the maiden with Dianno singing. I will say this, that song with the singing being deep bass and also non-human-esque and the fast paced bass riff and non stop fast drumming is clearly heavy metal or rather, to my ignorance, black metal. See if someone played some Billie Holliday and then played that song there, you could say, ` I know which of those songs is Jazz and which one of those songs is Metal` but how do you put it into words, or a definition?

In my opinion, the band UFO are not heavy metal, they are very close to being heavy metal, or maybe they are heavy metal, some of it is, but whichever, they do not sound at all like the `Sacrementum` band. There is a HUGE diference.

 

[Phylactery]

"Sort of melody", what? The guitar is like pure melody.

I don't see why you need a definition of what it is - it's too wide a genre, with too much variation in sound to find a single satisfactory definition of imo. You'd have more luck trying to define each sub genre.

 

[Internally Deformed]

You'd have more luck trying to define each sub genre.

Go for it Rusty.

 

[rusty water]

"Sort of melody", what? The guitar is like pure melody.

I don't see why you need a definition of what it is - it's too wide a genre, with too much variation in sound to find a single satisfactory definition of imo. You'd have more luck trying to define each sub genre.

There may be a lot of variation but there is a generalistic and strongly recurring theme and sound right through most of metal.

It can definately be defined in a generalistic way.

I havent previously been considering or referring to the `Sacramentum` and new types of metal genre because I am ignorant of them, I have been referring to the Judas Priest type Heavy Metal.

 

[rusty water]

Go for it Rusty.

Well, it is true, each sub genre can be defined, BUT, if so why cannot Heavy Metal be defined? if it has sub genres then heavy metal is by nature a generalistic term and can thus be defined by a generalistic definition.

 

[rusty water]

Where I am coming from, at my age and from being back in the day, to me saying deep purple is like Judas Priest is just like saying that Judas Priest is like Sacramentum. They arent.

I do admire the dedication to the music that these musicians love ( referring to the black metal and what have you ). They dont sell out and are honest to their field.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Chill music to keep everyone relaxed.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Pretty difficult to think of a definition that would include both these songs:

 

[rusty water]

Pretty difficult to think of a definition that would include both these songs:

You can tell straight away that both of those songs are heavy metal. There isnt anything varied about those songs from other metal.

 

[rusty water]

Chill music to keep everyone relaxed.

It wont play in my region dude

 

[Internally Deformed]

The only thing they share in common is a distorted guitar tone.

Out of curiosity, how would you classify this?

 

[rusty water]

The only thing they share in common is a distorted guitar tone.

Out of curiosity, how would you classify this?

Sounds like faith no more meets burzum

 

[Sirjack]

wouldn't shite be an appropriate noun?

 

[Krow]

Anybody find it curious that Rusty Water disappeared for a while, then reappeared exactly when CIG did?

It's also probably notable that his only purpose since joining has been to incite arguments in this thread.

 

[rusty water]

The change from hard rock to heavy metal was visually defined by the wearing of studded wristbands and the headbanging and moshpits. There was none of that with deep purple and rush and others. The moshpit is heavy metal era.

 

[rusty water]

It's also probably notable that his only purpose since joining has been to incite arguments in this thread.

You seem to keep popping up to post your opinion of me causing arguments. If you see the discussion that people in here have been having tonight as an argument, then that reflects your own mind. There is no arguing here.

 

[Internally Deformed]

There is no arguing here.

In spite of your best efforts, lol.

 

[rusty water]

In spite of your best efforts, lol.

Eh??

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I have been referring to the Judas Priest type Heavy Metal.

Plenty of melody in Judas Priest. One of the more blatant examples is below. This isn't atypical of the music on their first few albums.



There's nothing sort of melodic about this. It's loaded with melody.