Controversial opinions on metal

[MrTagoMago]

Just to confirm can we all agree the version of Killing Technology that includes Too scared to scream and cockroaches is the definitive version?

 

[Atomic Tide]

Is there a version that doesn't include Too Scared To Scream? Otherwise, you bet!

 

[MrTagoMago]

Is there a version that doesn't include Too Scared To Scream? Otherwise, you bet!

Well the original vynil version didn't have those two tracks so they can be seen as bonus tracks I guess but they were on the cd version that was released the same year. I was never sure how all this works but I don't think the album feels right without those two songs. Too scared to scream certainly doesn't feel like a bonus track.

 

[Atomic Tide]

Hmm, my original vinyl contains TSTS...

 

[MrTagoMago]

Hmm, my original vinyl contains TSTS...

Well I'm going off what this site says.

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Voivod/Killing_Technology/2042

 

[Atomic Tide]

Not sure if tracks were different according to country (I'm in the U.S.) but you may have just proven me wrong, sir.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Not sure if tracks were different according to country (I'm in the U.S.) but you may have just proven me wrong, sir.

Well they were released on cd the same year as the original vynil. Previously they were released on an ep but I mean just can't imagine the album without them lol. I know the Japanese band Doom had a similar thing going with the album Incompetence where two tracks were only added to the cd version but weren't on the vynil.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Bojack Horseman > Rick and morty

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Hammerheart is obviously the best album of 1990, it's the best album ever so...

It's shit, one of the worst of 1990.

Manilla Road - Courts of Chaos
Morgoth - The Eternal Fall

> Painkiller

lmao

You couldn't be any more wrong about this. It's clearly Kreator's strongest album, and aside from being better produced than their previous efforts, it has very little in common with the bay area sound. Given your taste for more progressive thrash, your opinion on this is pretty bizarre.

I don't consider it to be a particularly progressive album at all. It's full of somewhat melodic mid-tempo chugging not far removed from Master of Puppets material, but the arrangements are generally much simpler even relative to that one, let alone prog thrash proper. The production is nice, I don't mind that it's slick and accessible, I do mind the uber bland riffs and drumming though.

 

[Internally Deformed]

I don't consider it to be a particularly progressive album at all. It's full of somewhat melodic mid-tempo chugging not far removed from Master of Puppets material, but the arrangements are generally much simpler even relative to that one, let alone prog thrash proper. The production is nice, I don't mind that it's slick and accessible, I do mind the uber bland riffs and drumming though.

What it does well is to marry the weird unintuitively awesome riffing style of the previous releases with a sound that is slightly more layered and melodic. If it's accessible, it manages to be so without reducing the quality of the music, which is a rare feat. If you find it bland, that's either because you haven't given it a proper listen, or because you've listened to it too much.

 

[Phylactery]

I don't dislike Coma of Souls anywhere near as much as HamburgerBoy does, but to call it Kreator's best is ridiculous imo.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Extreme Aggression or Pleasure to Kill might give it a run for its money, but Coma of Souls just feels more fully developed. It also sounds more like it was written as an album than a collection of tracks, so it flows more smoothly.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Extreme Aggression or Pleasure to Kill might give it a run for its money, but Coma of Souls just feels more fully developed. It also sounds more like it was written as an album than a collection of tracks, so it flows more smoothly.

What about Terrible certainty?

 

[Internally Deformed]

Some cool riffs, but the production pisses me off on that album.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Yeah, Terror Zone is the highlight of the album for me and a solid enough song, but really, that entire intro (especially the parts around 1:20 with the pauses and harmonized palm-muting) you can't hear AJFA in that? The verses are just kind of there, a few power chords and those little doo-dee-doo-doo bits to decorate them slightly. The more intense parts like those between 2:05 and 2:30 are nice and I really enjoy the proto-melodeath riffing and faster parts 4 minutes in, otherwise it's just another safe mid-tempo thrash song. Mid-tempo thrash can be done right, but not when there's nothing interesting rhythmically going on nor any kind of intensity.

 

[Internally Deformed]

AJFA... proto-melodeath

No, I don't hear either of those. Endorama was the "sell out" album (and that does actually sound like Megadeth).

 

[Slayed Necros]

lmao

I included Courts of Chaos just for you.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Even Manilla Road fanboys don't care about that album.

 

[MrTagoMago]

This would probably be what my top 10 favorite thrash bands list would look like.

10. Sodom or destruction
9. Deathrow
8. Coroner
7. Overkill
6. Kreator
5. Mekong delta
4. Turbo (pol)
3. Doom (jp)
2. Metal church
1. Voivod

 

[CiG]

All you guys did was prove @MrTagoMago right about 1990 with your lists.

Painkiller > all of those.

Hell no. Hammerheart annihilates that overproduced mediocre-fest.