Controversial opinions on metal

[HamburgerBoy]

Virgin Steele is weak, overlong dad metal. It's like modern Iron Maiden only even more dull.

 

[Serjeant Grumbles]

lol. The problem with them specifically is that they fill all available space with their riffs on the first album, and use them basically just following the same progression of the keys. Metal that doesn't emphasize rhythm guitar is a waste.

Yeah, that's also untrue.


This has clear riffs that don't follow the same progression of the keys. The only time that's even somewhat applicable is the riff starting at 0:35, for which it could more accurately be said that the keys follow the riff. There's the outro riff at 5:04 that might appear to be doing so, but it's already introduced at 4:17 without any keyboard backing, so it's likewise a case of the keys following the riff.


The opening riff, the one appearing shortly thereafter at 0:11, and the one at 4:16 are all memorable riffs that function as standalone melodies.

But that fact that you said "metal that doesn't emphasize rhythm guitar is a waste" tells me all I need to know about your mindset. A band could have plenty of epic riffs, but if it also has a lot of parts that aren't centered around "dat rhythm guitar", you won't be able to sustain an erection throughout the entire song, so clearly it's weaksauce.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Later Emperor isn't as bad, it's the first album I have the most issue with. The riffs are still boring, no chop, just noise density and rigid drumming.

 

[EchoForever]

just noise density and rigid drumming.

so, raw black metal?

 

[EternalMetal]

It was a weird comparison, I agree. As pretentious as Crimsonflloyd comes across, I don't think you can argue that SMRC is more ambitious and has more depth than Venom. Obviously it's up to the listener to decide if they achieved that ambition or not.

Could you explain what you like about Fas...I listened to it a few times when it first came out and couldn't get into at all. It put me off checking out Paracletus.

Their songwriting improved for one. SMRC is a bit longwinded, but I feel like they condensed things in Fas to be much more manageable to digest, yet still effectively building. Their complexity in atmosphere is due to their exemplary use of dissonance in a way that they were just starting to experiment on SMRC. Also, this album is haunting as fuck. It can even be uncomfortable to listen to at times (think Immolation, Averse Sephira), but that added dimension adds depth to the songs. Give it more attention, Fas can be a grower due to having to digest that barrage of sound; it really demands your focus.

That said, I wouldnt put off listening to Paracletus. They lose a bit of the insanity that was present on Fas, making it a slightly distilled version of Fas, but on the other hand they are even more focused and mature. Nevertheless it is still as chilling and unsettling as ever. Id rate their albums in the order of Fas >= Paracletus > SMRC >= Inquisitors.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

so, raw black metal?

No, even a lot of raw stuff has a sense of negative space and syncopation.

 

[CiG]

People should just avoid debating HBB on stuff like this. Anybody that thinks Trivium is better than Manilla Road and Virgin Steele is not to be taken seriously at all.

Lol at people deluding themselves into thinking ICP isn't the worst band on the planet

They're at least funny and entertaining.

 

[EchoForever]

theyre pretty funny



theyre a comedy group right?

 

[The Butt]

Chicken Hunting is a fun song.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

People should just avoid debating HBB on stuff like this. Anybody that thinks Trivium is better than Manilla Road and Virgin Steele is not to be taken seriously at all.

muh production

 

[CiG]

muh production

Okay.

 

[arg]

Trivium has matured since their metalcore days. this song here has a pretty massive sound

 

[CiG]

Massively shite.

 

[EchoForever]

Trivium has matured since their metalcore days. this song here has a pretty massive sound

this is pretty gay

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Trivium has matured since their metalcore days. this song here has a pretty massive sound

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Trivium is at least a real metal band. Can't say the same for most black metal.

 

[CiG]

That means nothing if you sound like crap and your very existence is a mockery of heavy metal.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Trivium is at least a real metal band. Can't say the same for most black metal.

What does that even mean?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

That means nothing if you sound like crap and your very existence is a mockery of heavy metal.

How are they a mockery of metal?

 

[CiG]

How are they a mockery of metal?

In the exact same way a man wearing a dress is a mockery of women.