Controversial opinions on metal

[HamburgerBoy]

Outside of Atheist (and they're thrash in my book anyways), there's pretty much no death metal where I think "Can't wait to hear that solo!". I mean, there are of course good ones here and there, but they're rarely the highlight, and generally deemphasized in the genre's form relative to more old school metal. Actually, Order From Chaos has some great leads too, but they're of course right in the middle of a death/black/thrash grey zone.

Where death metal excels is in brief leads throughout a song to provide chaotic atmosphere and reduce repetition. Dedicated solo sections in death metal are usually mediocre Slayer worship and/or Schuldiner/Murphy-cloning wank.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

What about the more accessible stuff like Vogg, Christian Muenzer, Bill Steer etc? I can list a shit load of death metal guitarists that can probably play circles around these guys(minus maybe Muenzner) ... but i'm not sure you'd be able to handle those guys.

Here are a few you shouldn't have any trouble with ....

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But yeah, solo's are usually never the highlight when it comes to death metal. dem riffz doe...

 

[Phylactery]

Speaking of drumming, I tend to find blast beat abuse fine in a lot of black metal. It tends to blend into the background and supports the song. Flashy drumming can take away from the atmosphere and can be rather distracting. Exceptions do of course exist.

I'm not a fan of constant blasting in death metal, but I'll always be a sucker for a good tremolo/blast section.

I think blast beats tends to get a lot of undeserved hate. Like all drumming techniques, they are a tool that can be used effectively.

 

[The Ozzman]

Speaking of drumming, I tend to find blast beat abuse fine in a lot of black metal. It tends to blend into the background and supports the song. Flashy drumming can take away from the atmosphere and can be rather distracting. Exceptions do of course exist.

I'm not a fan of constant blasting in death metal, but I'll always be a sucker for a good tremolo/blast section.

I think blast beats tends to get a lot of undeserved hate. Like all drumming techniques, they are a tool that can be used effectively.

This is why I like Mike Smith when he was in Suffocation. He's the master of the tasteful blastbeat imo.

Although, when listening to BDM I expect constant blasting.

 

[The Butt]

Controversial Opinion:

Death metal without good lead guitar work / soloing is almost worthless.

No.

 

[The Butt]

+ Digital Bath

+ My Own Summer (Shove It)

 

[The Ozzman]

+ My Own Summer (Shove It)

Don't remember hearing that one. I'll check it out.

 

[Satanstoenail]

+ My Own Summer (Shove It)

Off their one and only decent album.

This is why I like Mike Smith when he was in Suffocation. He's the master of the tasteful blastbeat imo.

Sandoval tbh

 

[The Ozzman]

Off their one and only decent album.


Sandoval tbh

Didn't Mike Smith pioneer it though? I thought he did..

 

[morguelord]

Blast beats are my favorite instrument.

 

[Satanstoenail]

Didn't Mike Smith pioneer it though? I thought he did..

Not sure, Sandoval played in Terrorizer from 86 but World Downfall didn't come out till 89.. regardless, he is the blast master imo.

 

[The Batlord]

Not enough blast beats in death metal as far as I'm concerned. Second DM album I ever heard and the first one I ever loved was Altars of Madness, and there were a shitload of awesome blast beats all over that. I was kind of shocked and disappointed to find out that wasn't widespread. Thank god for grindcore.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Blast beats are garbage 95% of the time when repeated for longer than a few bars. They belong in metal about as much as metalcore breakdowns do.

 

[The Batlord]

Blast beats are garbage 95% of the time when repeated for longer than a few bars. They belong in metal about as much as metalcore breakdowns do.

Fuck that. When done well, metalcore breakdowns are insanely good. You just have to ignore the scene drek.

 

[The Ozzman]

Not enough blast beats in death metal as far as I'm concerned. Second DM album I ever heard and the first one I ever loved was Altars of Madness, and there were a shitload of awesome blast beats all over that. I was kind of shocked and disappointed to find out that wasn't widespread. Thank god for grindcore.

You should check out some brutal death metal.

 

[The Batlord]

You should check out some brutal death metal.

I'm very picky with brutal death metal. Suffocation, Cryptopsy, and Dying Fetus are great, but so much of it all sounds alike and all sounds boring. Really it's the ultra-techy side of brutal death metal that makes me yawn. About the only BDM band I've discovered recently that I actually like is Benighted.

 

[The Butt]

Blast beats are garbage 95% of the time when repeated for longer than a few bars. They belong in metal about as much as metalcore breakdowns do.

HBB Facepalm Count: 10

 

[HamburgerBoy]

HBB Facepalm Count: 10

Blast beats in metal are a product of hardcore miscegenation. They represent a vile taint in the pure, noble bloodline of heavy metal.

 

[alex76]

Blast beats should accentuate, not permeate.

 

[CiG]

Speaking of drumming, I tend to find blast beat abuse fine in a lot of black metal. It tends to blend into the background and supports the song. Flashy drumming can take away from the atmosphere and can be rather distracting. Exceptions do of course exist.

I'm not a fan of constant blasting in death metal, but I'll always be a sucker for a good tremolo/blast section.

I think blast beats tends to get a lot of undeserved hate. Like all drumming techniques, they are a tool that can be used effectively.

Though I agree with this, I much prefer Fenrizian (which is derivative of Philthy Animal) drumming in black metal I think. Drum fills etc.