Controversial opinions on metal

[HamburgerBoy]

The fuck? Medicine Man is fucking awesome. If there's any song that ruins the flow of that album it's The Sleep.

Greatest song on the album and one of metal's greatest guitar solos. kys

 

[Vilden]

I do recognize their importance to metal which is why I voted for them in the Hall of Fame. But I had forgotten about their racist bullshit, thanks for reminding me. fuck em.

Their importance to shitty metal you mean? Could do without that...

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I don't remember Omni posting this back during the debate with HBB about Pagan Altar, this is pretty substantial proof that they were around at least in the earliest 1980s.

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Actually, that was one of the very first things that made me question their existence in the first place. Some guy writes one of the most fellating reviews I've ever read, and it's printed on what looks to be one of the Dead Sea Scrolls? Admittedly at the time my Google skills failed me and I didn't realize that the magazine was widely spread (I thought it was fictitious as well), but I would like to see the full scan of the page it allegedly comes from; I believe I said initially that was one of the easiest way for me to change my mind.

I was actually starting to mellow on the Pagan Altar thing until someone on RYM transcribed the influences/thanks printed on Forest of Equilibrium, including pretty much every obscure doom metal and NWOBHM band imaginable, with no mention of Pagan Altar. Now I'm thinking they're fake again.

 

[CiG]

Their importance to shitty metal you mean? Could do without that...

Yeah, without Pantera we might not have killer bands like Devildriver, Chimaira, Damageplan, Lamb Of God, Machine Head etc.

I was actually starting to mellow on the Pagan Altar thing until someone on RYM transcribed the influences/thanks printed on Forest of Equilibrium, including pretty much every obscure doom metal and NWOBHM band imaginable, with no mention of Pagan Altar. Now I'm thinking they're fake again.

I remember first reading that influences/thanks list and noting a few other essential exclusions.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I don't remember Omni posting this back during the debate with HBB about Pagan Altar, this is pretty substantial proof that they were around at least in the earliest 1980s.

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look at the clarity of the ink/font .... it doesnt look liek something that was written on that actual piece of paper.

That being said, i have no fucking clue if they're fakers or not.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

it's printed on what looks to be one of the Dead Sea Scrolls?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The font/printing doesn't seem to match what I can find of the magazine online either.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I bet the author of that bootleg letter was ...

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I remember first reading that influences/thanks list and noting a few other essential exclusions.

Here's the list, courtesy of RYM's Chaosmonger:

"Gaz thanks: Necromandus, Gracious, Tudor Lodge, Forest, Captain Beyond, May Blitz, Warhorse, Monument, Clear Blue Sky, Black Widow, Curved Air, Comus, Saturnalia, Principal Edwards Magic Theatre, Yes, ELP, Affinity, Caravan, Camel, Atomic Rooster, Mellow Candle, Gong, King Crimson, Aphrodite's Child 'and all other obscure 70s progressive/folk bands and all NWOBHM bands' (ha, really covered his bases there)

The band thanks: Black Sabbath (I can vouch for this band), Saint Vitus, The Obsessed, Pentagram, Solitude Aeturnus, Witchfinder General, Asylum, Goblin, Revelation, Warcry, Cirith Ungol, Melvins, Merciful(sic) Fate, Confessor, Nigro Mantia, Black Widow, Diamanda Galas, Dream Death/Penance, Angel Witch, Godoreah, Mike Small's Rollercoaster, Death SS, Paul Chain, Dead Can Dance, Count Raven, Internal Void, Blue Cheer, Bomb Culture, Loch Ness "

Missing Trouble and Candlemass, but whatevs, still looks pretty damn thorough to me when it comes to things of doomy and psychedelic nature. If a band like Pagan Altar had the reach some allege, you'd think they'd be a fashionable thing to namedrop. Fucking Nigro Mantia even, but no Pagan Altar?

 

[CiG]

Is the Pagan Altar demo bootleg LP confirmed as definitely coming out in the late 1980's?

 

[The Batlord]

Yeah, without Pantera we might not have killer bands like Devildriver, Chimaira, Damageplan, Lamb Of God, Machine Head etc.

I remember first reading that influences/thanks list and noting a few other essential exclusions.

I don't give a shit about LOG starting with As the Palaces Burn, but Burn the Priest and New American Gospel are brilliant.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Is the Pagan Altar demo bootleg LP confirmed as definitely coming out in the late 1980's?

Confirmed by the band or by reality? I'm pretty sure the band says the LPs were floating around at the time.

 

[The Batlord]

Wait, Pagan Altar are a hoax? lol

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Wait, Pagan Altar are a hoax? lol

I'm undecided. Right now I'm leaning towards "They existed in the early 80s, but probably embellished their history significantly". Here's the thread where I laid my theory:

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/threads/im-sad-guys.1026768/page-2

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Shit, rereading some of my old posts is convincing me into thinking they're nearly a total hoax again. God damn I'm good at forums.

 

[CiG]

Burn the Priest and New American Gospel are brilliant.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Still better than your 835th favorite metal album.

 

[CiG]

I don't think I even know that many metal albums.

 

[The Ozzman]

I bet you've listened to two Devildriver songs

 

[EspaDa]

Lamb of God is still the best band that have come under Pantera's influence.