Controversial opinions on metal
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Soundgarden had some great stuff. Lots of filler put a personal greatest hits would be a solid listen. I really only like AiCs two EPs. Nirvana is garbage. Hate Pearl Jam
Anyone remember the semigrunge band Failure? Magnified and Fantastic Planet are stellar albums.
Anyone remember the semigrunge band Failure? Magnified and Fantastic Planet are stellar albums.
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Fantastic Planet is OK but disappointed me considering the kind of hype it gets. I've listened to a little of their earlier stuff too, remember it also being alright-ish.
CiG
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Snail were a cool stonergrunge band, relatively unknown. They released an EP called All Channels Open which I used to listen to a lot.
Had a great drug-fucked/lazy vibe.
Had a great drug-fucked/lazy vibe.
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Soundgarden/STP
Candlebox
Temple of the Dog
Pearl Jam
Screaming Trees
Nirvana
That's the proper order
Soundgarden/STP
Candlebox
Temple of the Dog
Pearl Jam
Screaming Trees
Nirvana
That's the proper order
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Motherfucking +1
I'm back and forth on Soundgarden. I used to dig their singles as a kid, then fell off most grunge when I discovered thrash in high school, came back to them about seven or eight years ago, then got bored with their more classic rock songs while still loving their more Melvins songs. They definitely have a massive edge over Pearl Jam though, as far as Zeppelin loving 90s Seattle bands go, simply because they never forgot that sludge is awesome.
Listening to Superunknown atm though and it's kinda kicking my ass.
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Candlebox?! You fucking queer wtf? And fuck Temple of the Dog and god damn Pearl Jam too.
CiG
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Only a true fuckhead puts Pearl Jam above Nirvana.
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TechnicalBarbarity
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Nirvana > Soundgarden > Alice in Chains. STP and Pearl Jam have a few good songs, but that's about it.
not grunge, but this was being played all day on mtv back in 93-94.
.. i like it.
not grunge, but this was being played all day on mtv back in 93-94.
.. i like it.
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The first three Blind Melon albums are great. I know some people say they're really derivative of 70s psych rock, but I haven't heard any really strong comparisons (but I don't know much about psych rock so they could be right). Their new album was dental office rock though.
Might as well bring up Smashing Pumpkins too. Siamese Dream >>> 99% of other grunge/alt rock of the time. Too bad Mellon Collie was mostly filler.
King's X too, actually, since they were a pretty obvious influence on three of the big four (everything but Nirvana).
Might as well bring up Smashing Pumpkins too. Siamese Dream >>> 99% of other grunge/alt rock of the time. Too bad Mellon Collie was mostly filler.
King's X too, actually, since they were a pretty obvious influence on three of the big four (everything but Nirvana).
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I like a few of their songs, love "Zero", but other than that I kind of fucking hate Smashing Pumpkins. I hate their shitty, highschool goth-quality lyrics. I hate their cringey, melodramatic, phoney emotional bullshit, cynically designed to trick generic sad sack, 90s teenagers into thinking they're deep. And I hate their dull, milktoast, monotonous songwriting that rips off My Bloody Valentine, rips off grunge, and "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" is a shitty attempt at ripping off Nirvana.
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How do they rip off MBV? MBV is some of the most bland overrated shit in existence regardless, Smashing Pumpkins were easily their superiors in songwriting.
Nirvana's career was just an attempt at ripping of the Pixies, Jesus Lizard, Melvins, etc, so who gives a shit.
Nirvana's career was just an attempt at ripping of the Pixies, Jesus Lizard, Melvins, etc, so who gives a shit.
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It was a pretty major "influence", except they watered it down and made it tepid enough that it's easy to miss. "Cherub Rock" is one of the easiest examples. And MBV are awesome, ball licker.
And Pantera ripped off Exhorder, or so the plebs who can't tell the difference between influence and thievery would have you believe. Difference with Smashing Pumpkins is they were phonies whose sound was an awkward mish-mash of their influences that never meshed into a coherent sound of its own.
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Smashing pumpkins were good, but Nirvana weren't? LOL! Cooooome ooon over and do the twwiiist! Aneurysm inducing posts.
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I'd say Nirvana were overrated, but you'd have to be with as much people have been sucking their dicks for the past two decades. They're still plenty awesome though.
HBB unintentionally brought up a good point though. Even though they're generally not considered such, Melvins were hands down the best grunge band or grunge affiliated band.
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Name an MBV song that sounds like Cherub Rock.
Mish-mash IS the Nirvana sound. Cobain was extremely open about being heavily influenced by many bands. One song it's an indie Pixies thing, next song it's a heavily feedbacking screamy Jesus Lizard thing, next song might be more punk rock, etc. Siamese Dream has a very homogeneous sound despite featuring very distinct songs.
I like Nirvana, I'm just saying that Batlord is being a tard if he thinks the Smashing Pumpkins qualify as a ripoff band and Nirvana doesn't.
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I JUSt said that they heavily water down the sound (wouldn't be good for mass consumption otherwise). They don't have any songs that particularly sound like MBV, but it's a heavy element of their sound. I could just say that it's an influence, but SP took a lot of "influences" to cover up for the fact that Billy Corgan had no vision.
What artist isn't open about being heavily influenced by other artists? Who are these magical artists that spring fully-formed without the aid of others?
Nah. People just look for excuses to shit on bands that are popular, and one of the easiest ways is to claim they're ripping other bands off when they're no more ripping off other bands than any other artist who is influenced by another artist. Smashing Pumpkins just happens to be one of those bands where the haters are right.
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How do they water down the sound? Smashing Pumpkins actually had riffs. MBV just strums away on one chord under shitloads of effect pedals and people eat it up. There's no comparison in terms of composition between MBV and the Pumpkins. No surprise that shoegaze chose black metal as the vector to infiltrate metal with. MBV is just a vastly inferior and more gimmicky Cocteau Twins anyways.
You can't even name a single riff or melody line where SP ripped off MBV. Sad.
You can't even name a single riff or melody line where SP ripped off MBV. Sad.
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