Controversial opinions on metal

[waif]

Angst-filled is a rather vague term,anyway, and can be applied to anything.All thrash is angst-fiiled, for instance.But it doesn't really describe the music.

More angst-filled, less angst-filled. Who knows, what that is really? Everything can be graded arbitrarily.

Jesus Christ you're fucking worthless. You started off with a good point in your first paragraph and then you had to finish it off with your retarded subjectivism.

But yeah, metal as a genre is about as angsty as it gets and if you deny that you're just lying to yourself, probably because you yourself are angsty.

 

[King Richard]

My point was people don't break down other genres of music like metal fans do. For whatever reasons, elitists like to describe every little nuance of a band and pin them down to a precise form of metal, which is a waste of time imo.

 

[Dak]

My point was people don't break down other genres of music like metal fans do. For whatever reasons, elitists like to describe every little nuance of a band and pin them down to a precise form of metal, which is a waste of time imo.

Other genres of music don't have near as many different nuances.

 

[Kthulhu]

My point was people don't break down other genres of music like metal fans do. For whatever reasons, elitists like to describe every little nuance of a band and pin them down to a precise form of metal, which is a waste of time imo.

Not true in all cases. What if someone says: man, someone recommended me to listen (for example) Alcest. What kind of music they play? will you say just 'metal'? I would try to describe the best I can and name some other bands - if it applies - that play something similar.

 

[Windie]

The only two true genres of metal are...
Good metal and bad metal

 

[MetalAges]

Thread cleaned a little bit - Brad check your PM

 

[sevag00]

^I hope you sent him a warning message.

 

[Badbird]

^I hope you sent him a warning message.

I think it's a warning message for him.

 

[Srontgorrth]

What else would it be, a congratulations or something?

 

[DarkBliss]

Jesus Christ you're fucking worthless. You started off with a good point in your first paragraph and then you had to finish it off with your retarded subjectivism.

Bad day at work?



So I'm worthless for stating my opinion on a message board? Okay. Do you have any other criteria by which you define the worth of an individual, or something?

Just admit it that you don't like when others use subjectivity as some sort of universal defense mechanism.

."OMG, you're a poseur, fag, subhuman, fucking Jew(lol) whatever else I have managed to come up with in that split second before hitting the "post reply" button." Borring.Where's the humor, man?

 

[Chanakya]

What else would it be, a congratulations or something?

That really cracked me up

 

[Inso]

I've said for years labels are dumb as hell in the first place. I get that some bands are really hard to pin down, but it really doesn't matter. Metal is metal to me. If it kicks ass then I don't care what sub, or sub-sub-subus-bugfsubusb genre it is.

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Arguing over whether a particular band constitutes metal/hard rock/nu-metal/whatever is silly. So many bands blur all these labels anyway.

 

[damnromulans]

Labels are necessary sometimes, you can't just throw them all in the garbage.

Depressive black metal is the angstiest genre of music in existence. Pensees Nocturnes is the angstiest artist I have ever heard, since the lyrics are approximately "WAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!" ad nauseum. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, sometimes we need "Charles Dickens orphan on a rainy street at night hating life."

 

[WCannibal]

Angsty?

 

[damnromulans]

Yeah, angsty. Similar to Korn but arguably executed better. "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M GOING THROUGH! BLEAKNESS! WAHHHHHHH"

 

[King Richard]

It just must be me or something but I like angst in my music, especially in my metal. If there was no angst then there would have been no Metallica, and that would make me sad.

 

[Badbird]

It just must be me or something but I like angst in my music, especially in my metal. If there was no angst then there would have been no Metallica, and that would make me sad.

I like the anger lyrics too but not the "woe is me" Korn lyrics.

 

[damnromulans]

Without angst there would be no good art or music

 

[waif]

Just admit it that you don't like when others use subjectivity as some sort of universal defense mechanism.

I admit it. Know why I don't like it? Because it's a blanket defense that renders argument worthless. In order to engage in a debate about anything there has to be a mutual agreement that there is at least some degree of objective truth to debate. I can support subjectivism in defending yourself for listening to something or whatever, that's absolutely fine. But saying "maybe it's angsty, maybe it's not" is incredibly fucking stupid. Angst is a word with a definition, and while there isn't an actual scale for it, it's measurable.

Without angst there would be no good art or music

Absolutely. Too much angst is annoying, but angst itself is not at all a bad thing.

 

[DarkBliss]

I admit it. Know why I don't like it? Because it's a blanket defense that renders argument worthless. In order to engage in a debate about anything there has to be a mutual agreement that there is at least some degree of objective truth to debate. I can support subjectivism in defending yourself for listening to something or whatever, that's absolutely fine. But saying "maybe it's angsty, maybe it's not" is incredibly fucking stupid. Angst is a word with a definition, and while there isn't an actual scale for it, it's measurable.

That's not what I said.I said "more" or "less". Brad, for instance doesn't like Metallica past RTL,or so he said once, but he loves Morbid Angel. Does that mean he finds Metallica's music more angst-filled than MA's? Perhaps.
Maybe he thinks Metallica have more in common with nu-metal than MA. So what did I make of that? That he has arbitrarily graded Metallica's music as more angst-filled to justify his preferences(or maybe it's just the lyrics that bother him). See how many maybies I've come up with? What objectivity are you talking about then?