Controversial opinions on metal
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Whether or not something is art depends on the person viewing it.
If someone thinks a urinal attached to a barstool is art, well then, it is. Same applies with music. If someone thinks that elevator music, for example, is art, well, it is to them.
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skeptik
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Obviously not.
Obviously not.
No; one can very easily be mistaken.
This is a blatant falsity with no basis, so I suggest that you expand upon this if you wish to continue on with this line of thought.
No.
Yes...for the most part.
panzerfaust666
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to me, art is expression.As long as I can feel something through it, or feel an emotion/thought expressed, it is art in my eyes.
mutantllama
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Just to fuck with you both, if Ed Gein skins someone and uses it as decorative upholstry or a lampshade, makes a window curtain out of people's lips or a belt out of nipples or a mask out of someone's face is that art?
Well, if you're able to ask what something is about (a painting and such), doesn't that automatically qualify it as art for both parties?
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Just to fuck with you both, if Ed Gein skins someone and uses it as decorative upholstry or a lampshade, makes a window curtain out of people's lips or a belt out of nipples or a mask out of someone's face is that art?
That's depends on why he's doing it. If it's simply for an aesthetic of functional purpose, probably not, but that can very easily be an artistic act.
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The problem with your reasoning lies in the fact that intent is never truly provable. Then again, nothing is so...meh. But, if the creator is wrong about his own art, what does that make other people?
chuj666
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Ok why can't Fu$king Metal bands have lead vocals with long hair? is it old-school to have long hair? or has metal turned into gay-screamo-college-corporate metal
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Not only does it not actually matter whether or not the intention can ever be known in order for something to be considered art, but I'm pretty sure the artist usually does reveal his intentions if it's not obvious enough as it is. I just wrote a paper on anti-Christian sentiment in Heavy Metal, citing an abundance of lyrics from Heathen, Holy Terror, Atheist, and Immolation, the latter being supported by an interview; I think it's obvious enough what the intention is behind songs like "Hypnotized", "No Resurrection", "Failures For Gods", and "No Truth" whether it's directly stated in a message from the artist or not. And again, going back to knowing the intention, even if we think that something does not have an intention and is not art, that does not change its status as art if it actually does have an intention such that it designates it as a work of art. It simply means that we are mistaken in our belief.
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I do not think your definition of art is complete and all-encompassing, nor do I really think that art can be defined concretely.
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If you go back and read properly, you'll see that I not only did not give a definition of art, but I also implied that it's most likely impossible to give a completely satisfiable definition of art universally, but that doesn't mean that we can't talk about art nor does it mean that we can't supply working definitions of art, necessary conditions rather than sufficient.
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