Controversial opinions on metal

[TechnicalBarbarity]

beyond raw, I can't really listen to them.

I would have never expected this from you

 

[CiG]

I would have never expected this from you

Oh man, I bought some 7 inch records in a series of Death demo reissues and I sold those fuckers so fast. Bedroom black metal fags need to step it up within that context.

Recorded on a hollowed out Halloween pumpkin or some shit.

Edit: some of the Death demos are amazing though, fyi.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I tend not to fuck with demos much, i prefer actual/finished albums.

 

[CiG]

Therein lies your problem.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i tend to prefer actual/finished albums in theory because they're usually closer to what the artist intended for public consumption, but in reality there are quite a few albums that seem like compromised or sanitised versions of the preceding demos, so it's always worth checking the demos out. i think if you generalise in either direction you're gonna miss out on a lot of good shit.

 

[RedStorm]

Yeah many demos are just the album but with a bunch of shit on the side of it (or the lack of)

 

[Omni]

Sometimes, demos contain some of the best recordings by a band.

 

[JontRevolting]

I think it generally depends on which version you hear first, it does for me anyway, production is a big part of that.

 

[CiG]

Sometimes if you overlook demos you miss a band playing a style they abandoned once they moved on from the garage.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Hypnotized and Mercy is no Version were far better in their demo form with Paul Baloff than on the album.

 

[The Butt]

Basically this new guy has everyone telling him he is wrong and can't seem to accept that he is in fact, wrong.

Quite funny when you think about it.

You forgot about Death, son. I know you love hating on the band any chance you get, but at least give credit where its due.

True enough; I can admit when I've overlooked something, faggot.

Also I don't hate Death, I just hate Death after (and including most of) Individual Thought Patterns which is total shitty shit bullshit. Get it right.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Therein lies your problem.

That's actually one of the few demos that i really enjoy. I always considered it more of an EP though

 

[CiG]

That's actually one of the few demos that i really enjoy. I always considered it more of an EP though.

Figured as much. I'd love to hear their 1989 demo but I don't think it's ever been uploaded.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Yeah i've never got my hands/ears on that one either. I think its only one track from what i remember.

 

[The Butt]

On the topic of Death I actually still really enjoy Human. One of the few extreme metal albums I adored as a teen that wasn't fucking dumb (I used to really be into that "melodeath"/extreme power metal/folk bullshit).

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

and tech death too right? Man, you used to be into everything.

 

[CiG]

Yeah i've never got my hands/ears on that one either. I think its only one track from what i remember.

That one track could be such a gem, but we might never know.

On the topic of Death I actually still really enjoy Human. One of the few extreme metal albums I adored as a teen that wasn't fucking dumb (I used to really be into that "melodeath"/extreme power metal/folk bullshit).

I used to be a huge fan of Human myself, though it's waned considerably over the years but it was the first death metal album I ever heard that seemed to go beyond "beer and gore and trucker hats bro" type content.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

That one track could be such a gem, but we might never know.

It's the last track on the demo tape you posted. Killer track. But yeah, we might just never get to hear the original demo version.

 

[GuiltySpawn]

nah. most late '60s/early '70s bands were stoned off their faces and trying to make as wild of a trip as possible, which is no more highbrow of a goal than any of the ones you're railing against. if anything, that era was probably more homogenous and unthinkingly trendy than extreme metal is, though it had its fair share of gems. i'm resisting the temptation to laugh you out of the room for even talking about 'late '60s traditional metal bands' at all--i'm pretty loose about genres but c'mon, man.

anyway, forget the sounding nasty/ugly thing. to me, what defines metal as a genre from the beginning is the way it confronts the aspects of reality that popular music/culture buries under the surface. black metal and death metal are, again, the logical endpoints of this. i'm not saying they're better (i'm probably more of an '80s trad man than anything else when pushed), but they're the natural evolution thematically. the aesthetic just grows out of that. black sabbath were trying to sound darker than everybody else, trying to confront uglier truths. this isn't at odds with trying to make good music - indeed, they felt that music had to be this way TO be good. darkthrone and the rest are no fucking different, they just took it to greater extremes.

Keith Richards once said: trying to play rock and roll without the blues is like trying to build a house without the foundation. The heavy metal bands of the late 60's and early 70's had a solid musical foundation for their expressions. They built a thick, distorted sound based on blues rock and psychedelic rock. Extreme metal bands that came later have a complete cluelessness about this musical foundation, and it's sickening, to be perfectly frank.

I think your problem is that you simply don't know the roots of the musical genre that you listen to. Ozzy Osbourne, Robert Plant, and Ian Gillan all cringe when hearing harsh extreme metal vocals.

 

[CiG]

It's the last track on the demo tape you posted. Killer track. But yeah, we might just never get to hear the original demo version.

Oh it is? Cheers I didn't notice that. I just adore 1989 as a year in death metal and can never hear enough of what was going on then.

Ozzy Osbourne, Robert Plant, and Ian Gillan all cringe when hearing harsh extreme metal vocals.

You think the previous generation of rockers didn't cringe when they heard Ozzy Osbourne, Robert Plant and Ian Gillan? I'm sure Elvis loved the idea Rod Stewart screeching over the sound of obscenely heavy and loud Jeff Beck riffs.

I cringe every time you post, but anyway.

Your claim that -

Extreme metal bands that came later have a complete cluelessness about this musical foundation, and it's sickening, to be perfectly frank.

- is ignorance combined with arrogance bordering on retardation and I'm sorry to insult you but it's true.

You think "extreme" metal bands don't know the roots of a culture they've lived in for most of their life? You think Fenriz doesn't understand the value of Uriah Heep?
You think "extreme" metal bands that often feature band members with side projects that lean in a more traditional metal direction are doing so by mistake? (eg The Dagger, Valhall, Fenriz' Red Planet, Ram, Black Trip, Ghost.)
You think an interview with Rok from Sadistik Exekution accidentally had Black Sabbath playing in the background?
You think Chris Reifert from Autopsy accidentally wears KISS shirts?

You're making a fucking fool out of yourself and it's embarrassing.

But please do stick around.