Baroque
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You havent defined why.
A definition is not a "why" it's a statement of fact.
You havent defined why.
You just made the statement that Sabbath are heavy metal and that Judas Priest are ` sometimes` heavy metal, you havent told us the reason for this.A definition is not a "why" it's a statement of fact.
Is that not a definition? Their sound is set in stone and heard worldwide. Anything that sounds like Black Sabbath in general is heavy metal, or like Judas Priest sometimes.
You just made the statement that Sabbath are heavy metal and that Judas Priest are ` sometimes` heavy metal, you havent told us the reason for this.
You are saying that ` their sound is set in stone and heard worldwide`..... I havent any idea of what that means in terms of a band being ` heavy metal` . And another one, you said also `Anything that sounds like Black Sabbath in general is heavy metal, or like Judas Priest sometimes.` and AGAIN you have made a statement and havent told us WHY you arrived at that conclusion.
If it is a definition as you said, I don't need to tell you the why. Definitions are accepted as fact, no proof necessary. Rather, you haven't told me why Sabbath are NOT metal? i believe the majority agrees with me, so it is up to you to provide a counter proof.
Black Sabbath are heavy metal because they wrote and played heavy metal songs, including the first heavy metal song called Black Sabbath.
You made the statement `If it is a definition as you said, I don't need to tell you the why` , you dont need to tell me the why?? what you are trying to wriggle out of is the fact that you dont know the why! Then making the statement `i believe the majority agrees with me, so it is up to you to provide a counter proof.` that has nothing to do with you saying that Sabbath are heavy metal and that judas priest are sometimes heavy metal. You cant tell us why you think that. You posted that it is what you think, but you cant explain why!!
`Black Sabbath are heavy metal because they wrote and played heavy metal songs` that is not an explanation, it is an opinion.
Yours is an opinion as well.
Yes it is, what I have said all along is an opinion, however I can explain why I think that. In my opinion `heavy metal` is sort of where the band wears studs and such imagery as Judas Priests Rob Halford wears on stage, where they sort of act hard and hold their fist. clenched and such stereotypical poses. Also the music with heavy metal was a step onwards and away from using blues scales and bluesy type riffs ( though they do of course use blues scales at times ) and were more towards sort of `non feeling` riffs of power chords and speed of songs. The tempo was faster and the vocalists scream like they are angry at the world and they use persistant `fantastic imagery` on their album covers etc. All these things they picked out from bands such as Sabbath, but they exagerrated it to a great extent. That is sort of the genre that is heavy metal, in my opinion.
I have given you a reason why I believe what I say is true. You have never given a reason for what you say to be true. Here you are now giving random opinions of other people, and using that as the reason why you believe what you posted is true. You couldnt and still cant give an explanation for your opinion, except that now you giver other peoples opinions ( excluding OZZY) , it suggests that you cant form your own opinions based upon your own thoughts and observations.
It is amusing that you are presenting links to MTV and such places as though they have any clue about rock music lol. You like MTV then do you? MTV lol . The rock and roll hall of fame can fuck off as well. MTV lol
In my opinion `heavy metal` is sort of where the band wears studs and such imagery as Judas Priests Rob Halford wears on stage, where they sort of act hard and hold their fist. clenched and such stereotypical poses.
http://www.blacksabbath.com/history.html
first line on the Black Sabbath official website:
"Black Sabbath is credited with creating heavy metal."
So I've posted opinions from MTV, VH1, Grammies, Rolling Stone, Metallica, and Black Sabbath. But your personal opinion matters more right? Pretty egotistical there bro
"Not until Black Sabbath upended the music scene did the term “heavy metal” enter the popular vocabulary"
Yes they were responsible for the genre of heavy metal happening. Some of the next generation of bands copied things from Sabbath, and other bands, and exagerrated it, and that became heavy metal. Baroque you seem to be desperate now to prove that Sabbath are heavy metal. You havent provided a single explanation that is your own. You are now perusing the internet for links from other people. Ozzy disagrees with you. If you read my explanation, you will see what heavy metal is, and what Sabbath arent.
The term heavy metal came from the steppenwolf song, born to be wild. Also, in the UK there was a newspaper called `Sounds` , and a rock journalist called something like `geoff barton` ( I may be wrong ) anyway he was apparently the first to quote the term , or so he said, in relation to rock music, particularly bands like judas priest, anvil, and saxon. He and others also called Rush `heavy metal`, much to many peoples annoyance. Some people were saying Rush were heavy metal too.
There are bands in the rock and roll hall of fame that are `Heavy Metal`, but from your opinion of how it works, then they mustnt be, they must be rock and roll because the rock and roll hall of fame says so.