Controversial opinions on metal

[Internally Deformed]

Iron Maiden's production was way ahead of the rest of the NWOBHM scene. Why you like them is up to you, but it would be dumb to discount that as a factor behind their massive popularity. There are many Iron Maiden fans who haven't even heard of bands like Angel Witch that would like them just as much were their music produced in a way easily accessible for mainstream listeners.

 

[rms]

The authenticity of angry or aggressive music isn't limited by age. The idea of middle-aged men making music about being angry teenage rebels is weird though.

Can't think of many thrash bands who put out more than 3 worthwhile releases. I would argue that once you're out of your 'element,' it's hard to replicate that via art. That element being young and sexually frustrated, probably.

 

[Sirjack]

Overkill

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Iron Maiden's production was way ahead of the rest of the NWOBHM scene. Why you like them is up to you, but it would be dumb to discount that as a factor behind their massive popularity. There are many Iron Maiden fans who haven't even heard of bands like Angel Witch that would like them just as much were their music produced in a way easily accessible for mainstream listeners.

Iron Maiden's compositions are quite accessible and they received attention from magazines early on. The controversy about the single where Eddie was waiting to assassinate Margaret Thatcher was also a boon for them because it made them much more well-known.

The actual production values of their first two albums aren't really that amazing.

 

[Internally Deformed]

It isn't surprising I like the first two albums best then, lol. I still think the production is head and shoulders above most NOWBHM, but I agree that they don't have the polished, plastic quality of Maiden's later releases. It would be interesting to see where Maiden would be now if they'd stuck with Di'Anno and kept their albums a little rawer.

 

[MrTagoMago]

I think you just enjoy saying controversial shit tbh. I came to this conclusion yesterday when you said that Dystopia is a great album after you've been shitting on classic Iron Maiden and Slayer.

OK now you sound kind of like an asshole. First off this is the controversial metal opinion thread so yeah I'm going to post controversial opinions. Second I went back and listened and said I like the Slayer albums from before Reign in blood and also said I can see why those albums are held in high regard even if they aren't personal favorites of mine. Also yeah I don't care for Iron Maiden even though I wanted to I just can't get into them. Sorry for being honest.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

They probably wouldn't have been nearly as successful since Di'Anno was an unreliable drug addict and his singing was a bit less refined.

 

[EchoForever]

this is the controversial metal opinion thread so yeah I'm going to post controversial opinions

 

[Internally Deformed]

They probably wouldn't have been nearly as successful since Di'Anno was an unreliable drug addict and his singing was a bit less refined.

I don't disagree with that, but I also think their music would have been better. And respect to Di'Anno, still going after all these years despite drugs (apparently) and lack of success. Take note Metallica, that's integrity.

 

[Internally Deformed]

this is the controversial metal opinion thread so yeah I'm going to post controversial opinions.

You do quite like this thread tho.

 

[MrTagoMago]

You do quite like this thread tho.

By now I also use it as a casual posting area as well. I think I've been too lazy to actually see what other threads are up lol.

 

[Phylactery]

OK now you sound kind of like an asshole. First off this is the controversial metal opinion thread so yeah I'm going to post controversial opinions. Second I went back and listened and said I like the Slayer albums from before Reign in blood and also said I can see why those albums are held in high regard even if they aren't personal favorites of mine. Also yeah I don't care for Iron Maiden even though I wanted to I just can't get into them. Sorry for being honest.

Well I didn't intend it to come across that so I apologise if it did. It just seems that you post a lot of opinions bashing classic bands/albums because you know it will get a rise out of people. but maybe I'm wrong about that and it just seems that way because this is like the only thread you post in. At least you don't post totally baseless and ignorant things like Rusty Water does. Also you do keep this thread alive which is good, it didn't see much action before you joined for a while.

And yes I know that you went and relistened to Hell Awaits and I respect that, I just can't fathom finding Dystopia to be better than it. Maybe you could explain what you like about Dystopia.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Well I didn't intend it to come across that so I apologise if it did. It just seems that you post a lot of opinions bashing classic bands/albums because you know it will get a rise out of people. but maybe I'm wrong about that and it just seems that way because this is like the only thread you post in. At least you don't post totally baseless and ignorant things like Rusty Water does. Also you do keep this thread alive which is good, it didn't see much action before you joined for a while.

And yes I know that you went and relistened to Hell Awaits and I respect that, I just can't fathom finding Dystopia to be better than it. Maybe you could explain what you like about Dystopia.

I never said I I liked Dystopia better did I? I just listened to it a while back and thought it was really good for a late release from a classic thrash band.

 

[Phylactery]

You just said it was really good without the qualifier of "for a late release from a classic band". That makes more sense. It's obviously better than anything Slayer or Metallica have done in years, not that I'm a huge fan of it or anything.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Christ Illusion was better than Dystopia imo... but I guess that was a decade ago.

 

[MrTagoMago]

You just said it was really good without the qualifier of "for a late release from a classic band". That makes more sense. It's obviously better than anything Slayer or Metallica have done in years, not that I'm a huge fan of it or anything.

I probably should practice on putting things in context. I really don't always have an easy time really comparing things and saying which I think Is better. And while I do post what would be considered very controversial opinions they are in fact my opinion I mean if I was just trying to be an edgy hipster I wouldn't admit that Black Sabbath and Judas Priest are my favorite metal bands and I'd say shit like Lulu is the magnum opus of heavy metal.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Christ Illusion was better than Dystopia imo... but I guess that was a decade ago.

Nothing either of the big 4 bands have put out in the last two decades are as good as Katorz, Target Earth, and Post Society but I think I've mentitled that several times already.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Probably, I pretty much skim over all the Voivod related comments.

 

[CiG]

there is something 'poseurish' about being a thrash band for an extended period of time. How 'angry' and 'aggressive' can you be well into adulthood? Thrash and punk seem to share a similar frustration out of being a young adult.

You're erroneously conflating 'angry' and 'aggressive' sounding music with 'angry' and 'aggressive' lyricism.

You can play in the most aggressive thrash band known to man but exclusively sing about galactic battles.

Possibly Controversial opinion. Raven is the best NWOBHM band despite Stay hard and The pack is back.

Really? They're so damn average.

Well I think they're okay actually, if overrated. The first two albums are superior to the later ones, and people probably wouldn't like them so much if it wasn't for the fact that their production is so much clearer than is the case with most NWOBHM.

The first two are cool, but hardly stand out from the NWOBHM thing in my opinion. They couldn't have continued on in that vein without wallowing in mediocrity, mostly because Paul was an extremely limited performer.

Probably, I pretty much skim over all the Voivod related comments.

Why?

 

[Internally Deformed]

You can play in the most aggressive thrash band known to man but exclusively sing about galactic battles.

I want to hear this band.

The first two are cool, but hardly stand out from the NWOBHM thing in my opinion. They couldn't have continued on in that vein without wallowing in mediocrity, mostly become Paul was an extremely limited performer.

We've had this debate before, lol. My thinking is that a limited vocal range does't necessarily make for limited music; if anything, it stops the music from becoming too reliant on vocal melodies (which are always less sophisticated than instrumental ones anyway). At any rate it's impossible to say how Iron Maiden would have evolved with Di'Anno, I just know I prefer his style.

Why?

I can't get into them, despite repeated attempts.