Yeah, and for every "Black Sabbath" or "Hand of Doom" there's a "Solitude" or "The Wizard." I'm not knocking their importance, but the first band to put together the entire package - sound, imagery, visual aesthetic - and put it together consistently and with malice aforethought was Judas Priest, not Sabbath. Let's not forget that while Black Sabbath looked - and thought - like burned out hippies, Judas Priest looked like Satanic bikers and sang about genocide and Jack the fuckin' Ripper.
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Yeah, and for every "Black Sabbath" or "Hand of Doom" there's a "Solitude" or "The Wizard." I'm not knocking their importance, but the first band to put together the entire package - sound, imagery, visual aesthetic - and put it together consistently and with malice aforethought was Judas Priest, not Sabbath. Let's not forget that while Black Sabbath looked - and thought - like burned out hippies, Judas Priest looked like Satanic bikers and sang about genocide and Jack the fuckin' Ripper.
Ender Rises
Wass sappening?
Lyrical content and visual aesthetic =/= metal. They have nothing to do with defining metal, just like they have nothing to do with defining any other genre. Try again.
Artifact of production: listen to Unleashed in the East - that material is shit tons more aggressive and abrasive than any of Sabbath's recordings.
Really? Then why do lyrical stances and visual aesthetic form an important subtext for almost all contemporary genres? Where would New Wave be without the pompadour or Goth without the eyeliner? Would anyone take a hip hop artist seriously if he dressed like Garth Brooks and rapped about honky tonks? This is art, the whole package matters, not just the bits in isolation.
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Uh, it's a goofily adapted quote from Churchill ("...it is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma") and obviously it was a joke...
By the way, Sabbath had plenty of "metal image" and played the first recognizably metal tunes. You can hardly argue that because they had some lighter songs they don't qualify as a metal band. Is Opeth not metal because they released Damnation? Besides, Priest played plenty of mild rock n' roll stuff.
Your first barrage of posts has been pretty consistently failworthy
No, I'm basing it on the whole of their early recorded output. What I'm not doing is confusing what the songs sound like with the limp production of Sad Wings of Destiny and Sin After Sin with what those same songs actually sound like.
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Judas Priest was easily the better band, but you can't deny the influence Sabbath had on the genre.
I'm aware of the source, and even that you were attempting to tell a joke. The problem is that the joke you essayed was the sort of preciously and precociously twee self-awareness that is only funny to people who think humor was invented by The Daily Show and spread from there to Scrubs, The Office, Arrested Development, and, of course, The Colbert Report.
I would agree with the latter and disagree with the former. Sabbath always stuck with the hippie aesthetic - fringed jackets, goofy facial hair, and oversized Christian religious emblems. As for their sound, it was an occasionally happy accident, rather than a consistent and deliberate application of a more focused set of ideas.
But even their "metal" songs tended to veer off into other styles and genres in parts.
It's possible Opeth might be a metal band, but they ain't much of a metal band.
The vast majority of it placed on albums released long after the band's archetype-shaping and genre-defining classics, or on the band's first album, which was a definite work in progress (and included several cuts whose origins go back to '72 or so).
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He could beat up everyone on this forum in real life because apparently anyone who flames him unprovoked is an 5'8" 80-pound weakling that only uses the internet to feel like a tough guy. He on the other hand is a "gym rat" with mega awesome superior fighting skills.
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Sabbath > Priest
Maiden > both
*runs and hides*
Sabbath > Priest
Maiden > both
*runs and hides*
cookiecutter
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Arguing about the first metal band is like arguing about who the first President of America was.
cookiecutter
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Ender Rises
Wass sappening?
Zephyrus
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Image is irrelevant. And even if it were, Sabbath was still had the darkest theme going on in the very early 70's (along with Alice Cooper).
There's not a single "happy" song on Paranoid, which came out years before Rocka Rolla.
So did Priest and most other early metal bands.
Their heavy parts are undeniably metal. Progressive metal, that is.
This pretty much contradicts your argument that Priest was the first "consistently" metal band.
Besides, Paranoid, the first "consistently metal album" came out in 1970, preceding Priest's first recordings by two years.
I admire your effort to defend your perspective, but the fact is you're plain wrong. Now I'm being nice to you because others would come in here and make you wish you've never been born.
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