Evolution vs. Creation: The Cosmological Argument

En Vind Av Sorg said:
Bones of Contention was utter bullshit. anyone who thinks Lubenow a reliable author obviously is either ignorant or has a serious unstable psyhcological condition.

Your statement is proof you haven't read the book. The book is written journalisticly. This means the authors knowledge is coming straight from the source. this author would also lose credibility if his work was proven false--which it was not--it was a fair and balenced look inside the evolution scheme. you can't prove the author wrong,he's already proved his credibility. To say you've read the book and also say Lubenow was lying is total spin :Spin:
stop making up distortions.
 
FEZZILLA said:
FEZZILLA>>>here is a debate....
1.)was JESUS MARRIED?
2.)I think so. To whom?

3.)Also, tell me why a CATHOLIC priest should be married. Cause by the words of the bible they should be.


1.)No
2.)Jesus was not married nor was He banging anybody.
3.)First off,Im a Christian and not a Catholitical Pagan.
Pagans can do what ever they want simply because they do not observe a moral guidline like the Christian do. Catholics claim they are christians yet do not practice any Christian beliefs. Catholic priiest like banging boys because they can't controll there desires. 2Cor.Chapter 12 explains love and marrage. It states that its better for a man to live without a woman.But its not a sin by any means to marry. So Catholic priest should marry,and marry the opposite sex only!!

I would like to make a perposal to everyone here on this forum. I want to ask two questions.But in return for that i want you to ask me two questions about the bible and christianity you don't understand.
Just ask me two though,for im limited in time.

Heres my two questions about evolution:
1.)Expalin the Big Gang.Was it a Big Bang or a Big Bust?
Expalin how nothing produced something out of absolutly nothing.
Explain the prabability of random chance.
2.)What happened to the Dinosaurs?
Did they all die,or did some live? To the best of my knowledge Dinosurs were wiped out completely. What do you think?
 
FEZZILLA said:
Your statement is proof you haven't read the book. The book is written journalisticly. This means the authors knowledge is coming straight from the source. this author would also lose credibility if his work was proven false--which it was not--it was a fair and balenced look inside the evolution scheme. you can't prove the author wrong,he's already proved his credibility. To say you've read the book and also say Lubenow was lying is total spin :Spin:
stop making up distortions.

ohh really. Since we all know that journalism is completley fair and unbaised of course. Sources arent always reliable, distortion of truth is nessecary to brainwash people and blind them from the truth in your case apparently. His book can neither be proven incorrect or correct due to the fact that it is based on journalistic opinion. The book is written by an unintelligible soldier for the scheme of christ.

"Kill us more, convert our peoples. We will ravage your soil and spill your blood untill the plague of your people is dead and scattered among the winds"

-Vidkun Quisling-
 
FEZZILLA said:
Heres my two questions about evolution:
1.)Expalin the Big Gang.Was it a Big Bang or a Big Bust?
Expalin how nothing produced something out of absolutly nothing.
Explain the prabability of random chance.
2.)What happened to the Dinosaurs?
Did they all die,or did some live? To the best of my knowledge Dinosurs were wiped out completely. What do you think?

1- I do not believe in the big bang theory in itself. The universe has always exsisted. It is infinite, and will always be infinite.
2-Dinosaurs were mostly killed of do to a multiple number of reasons. Those who survived evolved and adapted due to NATURAL SELECTION. Read the works of darwin.
 



I have thoroughly studied the false theory of evolution. Geology proves it totally wrong. The Biology is been falsified and exposed.Dr.M.Richardson proved that,"there is no highly conserved embryonic staged in the vertebrates:implications for current of evolution and development,"
The chart im looking at is all the proof one needs to through evolution biology away and replace it with academics.

If an astriod hit the earth and wiped out the dinosaurs plus,causing an ice age right afterward due to the earth being moved off its axis.Everything would have died and nothing may not have ever restored itself. Dinos would not have been able to evolve into birds becuase they would have ALL died due to the effect caused by the astriod. Also note:the earth is a nuclear reactor. And astriod big enough to shake the earth off its axis would not only extinct the dinos,but cause a nuclear reaction millions of times greater then any and all of the nukes/missles we have today. The earth would erupt with a violent fire storm wiping all life signs out. Then,the earth,being soon off its axis,would freeze to unlivable temps. would might have suvived the fire storm would now die in a ball of cased ice. No birds could evolve fronm a dead world.
Also note: Not one missing link as been proven. A few have been falsified and then proven wrong(Piltdown man ect.)but no evidence that ever supports any evidence of a missing link-not one.
Yet you still keep the faith.
Read the six days of creation and learn the truth of all orgions!
 
En Vind Av Sorg said:
How dare you say pagans have no morals, you obviously cannot comprehend any religion other than your judeo- christian hogwash.
Abso-freakin-lutely! GAAAAH! This is why it's impossible to have a conversation with someone who's been completely "saved." It comes down to this -- they're right, you're wrong. As a card-carrying Neo-Pagan, Lutheran, Taoist, Buddhist, Teuton, I must say that limiting your mind is limiting yourself. Limiting yourself is limiting us.

Fezz, as soon as you're sure you have all the answers, your ability to comprehend chance, randomness, change dissolves. The bottom line, in my mind, when you cast around your libel on not only the Catholic church (I don't mind, really, but since the rest of the Christian community is no more pure, I wouldn't be tossing any stones, anywhere), but the foundations of YOUR RELIGION. There would be no Christianity if not for "paganism." There wouldn't be any religion if not for mankind's need to explain that which they don't understand. As such, religions are created by man to pacify man. Does that mean I don't believe in religion? NO. Does that mean I believe there's only one? I'm not THAT stupid. My Christianity is different from anyone elses, why? Because I've assimilated my own truths into it. As the Chinese philosophers say, "to walk on a single leg is foolish, as two, even three provide greater stability." Do my truths translate to anyone else's truths? Hell, no, and I wouldn't be a presumptuous enough prig to try to convince anyone of that. MY missionary gospel-frickin' "good news" is that I have a free mind. THAT's what my deities (yeah, I said DEITIES) desire, value and encourage. I'm sorry that your god discourages free thinking. There are plenty more out there, you know. (actually, as a side-bar, when you get down to it, all deities are fractures of the same shard, thereby supporting mono-theism through pan-theist belief systems. Wheeee!)

Fezz, please, just take your narrow-minded self-assurance and shove it. Not to be mean, but you're coming off sounding more like someone who can't admit to being wrong than someone who knows what they're talking about... Once you're able to accept the fact that your interpretations might be wrong -- or maybe, not even wrong, but rather not as open as they could be -- we might be more inclined to listen. This thread resurrected itself because you couldn't let people think that you might actually be thinking that there were other possibilities out there. AAACK! Why is it so hard to believe that maybe, JUST MAYBE, other people know what they're talking about when it comes to religion not only because they might have more/different facts than you have, but because their interpretation of the "truth" is different?! Does that make them WRONG? NO!!!!!! DIFFERENT!!! Work with me.

(*steps back....breathes*)

OK. Man...miss a dose of Celexa...

Anyway, one more thing and then I'm going to bed... This WHOLE thread started about a question about creationism versus evolutionism. From the sounds of it, Fezz didn't give a rat's ass about either one (because he already knows that a mystical being who exists without being made creating life, the universe and everything is MUCH MORE PLAUSIBLE than stuff just happening (I'm being sarcastic...at this point, I think you all exist because I made you up to stimulate my cortical recesses....)), and it doesn't sound like he cares what we think, anyway, because we're dead wrong heathen dorks, anyway. Feh!

If you don't believe in Evolution, that's fine -- I don't care. I don't care that you choose to ignore your appendix or Adam Oates' prehensile forehead. If you believe Creationism is where it's at, more power to you. Personally, if you can't tell me who made God, I'm as likely to buy into that as I am the Big Bang. (where'd the stuff to go BANG come from?) That said, don't pander to me like I'm some sort of unwashed idiot who can't discern truth from sensationalized science fiction. Like I said, I made you all up. Pick up the Information Society's "Hack" and listen over and over to "I can make you ALL go away. ANY time I want to." and that's how I feel, right now.

Oh, and blended fabrics are a sin becuase. Just because. Same reason answering a telephone on the Sabbath is considered "work," therefore a sin. If you've never played "Whimsical Deities" you're missing out.

*rummages through medicine cabinet* Good night. And try not to be offended. I don't care one way or the other, but if you were in the room with me right now, I'd be red-faced, but smiling.
 
Ihreil Junkenstein said:
Fez you tard. Do a search on MSN for a commune called Atheist VS God. It kicks the shit out of most of your belifs. The average solid theist last 3 weeks before serious doubts occur.

A link will follow when i can be fucked to do so.

I don't need the link, LoM already had that effect on me...
 
oh sorry, must be the gunpowder fumes... for some reason i thought it was stealer. I'm sorry Stealer, iris and LoM. Dumbasses. yes stealer, you had/have respect from when you were the first person to answer the question about Green carnation. Dumbass.