"female-fronted symphonic arab metal"

[einride]

ok so now that we've made sure that no one will ever click this thread, here's a thing:



i think this is really quite good actually. peace.

 

[Krilons Resa]

I dig the description actually and will check it out tomorrow, probably.

 

[Krilons Resa]

I don't like it.

 

[einride]

can’t win em all. at least ya tried.

 

[einride]

i think i’m drawn to stuff like this and african and japanese and weird exotic metal now because i still in fact kind of like metal but im so fucking extremely tired of the same fucking riffs and chord progressions that were already worn out in 1987

 

[Krilons Resa]

That's why I listen to tons of different shit. Traditional Middle-eastern and Indian music is the shit, btw.

 

[Ellestin]

so fucking extremely tired of the same fucking riffs and chord progressions that were already worn out in 1987

imo the sameness / rinse and repeat has gotten even worse in the past 10 years. Makes it all the more rewarding to discover a band that truly stands out.

 

[einride]

imo the sameness / rinse and repeat has gotten even worse in the past 10 years. Makes it all the more rewarding to discover a band that truly stands out.

i can't really articulate it well but i feel like as genres have become more firmly entrenched in old positions (read: done; dead), new bands have become more averse to change too and afraid to break out of the mold

which is the opposite of what you might THINK would happen to an old genre that is kind-of continously evolving, but nevertheless it is what i'm observing

like in the olde days, maybe you're 17 years old and you have a vague idea that you want to start a death metal band. you try to play and write as well as you can, working from your tape dubs of nihilist and slayer and bathory, you try to stand out from the crowd if possible because copycatting is very looked down upon in the scene -- besides, you haven't probably really heard your contemporaries anyway --

but suddenly it's four years later and somehow you ended up releasing "wildhoney" or "eternity" or "themes from william blake" or "elegy" or "omnio" or "discouraged ones".

and i ask myself: does this shit even fucking happen anymore?

i just don't see bands really truly evolving these days. it's like "yeah we're going to start a MELODIC ATMOSPHERIC BLACK METAL BAND IN THE VEIN OF XXX AND YYY" and they do that exact shit according to the manual for however many albums they feel is appropriate; if they get the inclination to instead play BRUTAL TECHNICAL DEATH METAL then they start another fucking band project instead and do the same boring routine of standing on the shoulders of giants to accomplish essentially nothing but taking a shit from a greater height.

essentially here is the very smart conclusion to the above: metal now feels like people are fans first and musicians second and want to just belong to the club by following the rules to the letter instead of using metal as just a basic aesthetic template for actual real creativity and expression

 

[einride]

one of the few modern bands i really like is TRIBULATION because they're not afraid to throw out the baby bathwater and dive into some real fuckin depths

like "children of the night" is a real-ass 90's album. sounds like back when folks had a Vision. fuck your death metal roots and staying true to dead idiot values.

 

[MFJ]

one of the few modern bands i really like is TRIBULATION because they're not afraid to throw out the baby bathwater and dive into some real fuckin depths

like "children of the night" is a real-ass 90's album. sounds like back when folks had a Vision. fuck your death metal roots and staying true to dead idiot values.

I bought this after you told me to check it out, and it’s a seriously great album. Unfortunately some of the songs on “Down Below” are horribly similar with a very recycled sound.

“The Formulas of Death” is also excellent. Their old drummer was extra-tite

 

[Sophii]

Seems like a dumb gimmick to cash in on imo. Havent listened to it yet.

 

[einride]

Seems like a dumb gimmick to cash in on imo. Havent listened to it yet.

yes certainly these guys are bathing in cash, the market for female-fronted symphonic arab metal in 2019 is booming and showing no signs of slowing as evidenced by the fact that this record is self-produced and not really for sale anywhere that i can find and also that no one has ever heard it or talks about it

but thank you for your valuable input, i'm always open to insightful reviews of music from random drive-by posters who have not heard it

I bought this after you told me to check it out, and it’s a seriously great album. Unfortunately some of the songs on “Down Below” are horribly similar with a very recycled sound.

“The Formulas of Death” is also excellent. Their old drummer was extra-tite

agreed on both counts. "down below" is like a worse version of "children..." and was a real disappointment. "the world" is a very good song, "lady death" is the worst song they ever did. it's some reinkaos level bullshit.

love the old drummer, he had some real creative shit going on on songs like "strange gateways beckon"

 

[Ellestin]

but suddenly it's four years later and somehow you ended up releasing "wildhoney" or "eternity" or "themes from william blake" or "elegy" or "omnio" or "discouraged ones".

Man, if I could have my brain reset to the mid-90s, listen to all the above back to back, with La Masquerade Infernale thrown in for good measure, burst an artery and be done with it, that would be perfectly acceptable

 

[spikes77]

I don't know, sounds a bit cynical and "back in my day-ey". Yes, there are a ton of bands that are just copying X, Y, Z like Erik said, and yes soo many bands (crap) to sift through, but I think it's just that much harder to find the albums that truly stand out now. Regarding bands not willing to evolve or take chances--I don't know. Maybe those albums stood out more because of the scenes they originated in--and the huge evolution in sound in a relative small amount of time. I might now discover an elegy or discouraged ones three years after it comes out, rather then immediately because the scenes were generally smaller and the spread of the music slower.

In terms of the genres being entrenched, I think that's a factor for some specific genres (I think doom in particular is suffering from this A TON) but not sure as much with bm and dm. I see some evolution in the Dutch bm scene within a 2-3 year period, nothing truly drastic but it's there in a fairly short amount of time--similar with bm in the U.S (although has taken longer).

Like Ken said, maybe just getting other genre's helps this a bit. I'm much more into electronic/idm than ten years ago, which helps this "milestone album fatigue you guys are having.

 

[Krilons Resa]

There is actually a lot of terrific shit coming out nowadays with bands pushing boundaries. I feel like that's what a shit ton of bands are actually overtly TRYING to do nowadays and many just fall flat on their face. Only the extreme makes an impression, right? But others hit it out of the park though. It may not be something YOU personally enjoy, but it's still strong, unique shit.

I dunno. It seems to me like you are trying to attain a glimpse of them early "highs" and emotional impact that you received when everything was new and fresh to you. There no lack of great music to sift through these days, imo. If anything, the bar is set extraordinarily high because all the great shit coming out has created a new standard. It's like when I first got into craft beer around 16 years ago. So many different beers and styles were blowing my fucking mind left and right but now, at this point in my life, I've tasted so many godamn beers that it's literally impossible for me blow a nut over a beer. Everything is merely a good beer...nothing more, nothing less. And this is the primetime of craft beer brewing in the world. And you know what? I bitch and moan about it all the time. I complain all the time how the hipsters have ruined it and the "scene" is an abomination and nothing like how it used to be, just as Spikes said, "Back in the day..."

So, yeah. Probably the only way to really re-attain them "peak experiences" is to venture out into uncharted territory and listen to some sounds that you have yet to explore and see what sticks. Perhaps you'll discover some stuff that moves you in ways that metal/rock could never possibly even begin to do. Let curiousity and an open-mind be your guide.

 

[Krilons Resa]

(I think doom in particular is suffering from this A TON)

Yeah, I'd say so too. However, have you checked out Soldat Hans? -->


I'm pretty sure you have heard Lychgate. -->

 

[einride]

well. it's not only about the experience of hearing albums and getting blown the fuck away. i do realize the mechanics of that experience necessarily waning over the years. i mean i don't even really LIKE "themes from william blake", which was one of my examples, i just miss the general atmosphere of adventurous bands where you could never really predict what the next album would be like. i'm just saying i don't see that so much these days.

if you have examples of mdoern bands that have started as generic metal and blossomed into something totally different and adventurous in the span of a few years, then by all means post 'em. it doesn't even need to be good, necessarily, i just want to see someone attempt something out of their comfort zone, ya know?

So, yeah. Probably the only way to really re-attain them "peak experiences" is to venture out into uncharted territory and listen to some sounds that you have yet to explore and see what sticks. Perhaps you'll discover some stuff that moves you in ways that metal/rock could never possibly even begin to do. Let curiousity and an open-mind be your guide.

i'm doing this fwiw, no worries. i've been into folk rock, prog rock and modern jazz like esbjörn svensson trio lately. and so on

 

[MFJ]

This album is incredible, since we are on the topic of “doing something new” while also throwing back to the days of grandeur. If you only listen to one song, check out track 2.

esbjörn svensson trio lately.

RIP

 

[Krilons Resa]

^Yep, great album that.^

 

[Krilons Resa]

Wreckmeister Harmonies are great. This was a favorite a few years back.