Give them a break already!
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Eno_Mun
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Please say that was a joke post.the alumnus said:
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You buy a Tshirt from them and they owe YOU? That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard, also.."Free advertising space - your chest"?
Of course Opeth work hard, have you not read any of the studio diaries? I'm assuming you've never been in a band. It's hard work and it get's alot harder when you get into Opeth's situation. Just be thankful that they've made it allowing us to listen to their brilliance.
Are you also assuming that Opeth get all the money made on merchandise?
For the record I agree entirely with Triste on this, it's about time someone made a post about it.
Ecto
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People, I only said that Opeth is business due to their passiveness concerning MFN. Many bands release live dvds and are able to performe songs of when they were from a different label. If it's a problem of rights, ok, I'm pretty sure Opeth is selling well and MFN could pay for these rights. I know it's a product only to promote MFN's era. I know Opeth has a contract and must follow it. My complain is that Opeth could have said "...no, we want to play old material too...", they could have negociated but no, they said "...yes MFN, we will only play your catalogue...".
Nico
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ggggggu
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Gymsokk
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wreathme
Hi Triste!Triste said:
Nice post. I could feel your frustration as I read it. I feel that way myself, especially reading this board, which has an incredible amount of negativity from their own fans. I've come to the conclusion, it's just a "board-thing". Don't let it bring ya down. It does me too at times, but mostly I just gotta ignore it. It's like some power-trip here, the veil of the internet allows people to say big shit without worries. Granted there are some cool fans on here too so don't get me wrong. I usually check the board on a daily basis, but generally speaking I can't relate to this new breed of "supporter". I don't like fighting in real life, why would I go for it on a board?? So, I don't bother posting much anymore. Anyway, it's not real here. What's real is the fans that show up for the gigs, long or short distance, supporting the band by telling a few friends to check em out, buying their merch, the ones who stay around in the freezing damn cold after the show...just to meet them, say hi, take a pic etc... THOSE are the people with a purchased cd in hand for an autograph. Those are my idea of fans. And I've met a lot of them. Overheard a lot of comments too, and never have I heard all this negative crap in personl. Most of their real fans are pretty damn cool actually!
Cheers. See you in San Fran next time..!
deathbearer
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They've (Opeth) played more shows worldwide than that idiot listed this year..Opeth have played all over the world this year..Cut the crap, Opeth are not a commercial band, they are a CULT band..So get over it..
Katabasis
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And I hope we don't see any more "Opeth owes me" crap. No band owes its fans anything. Bands make music. Period. If you like it, buy it. If you dont, don't.
End of discussion.
End of discussion.
Demoke
This is the Almighty:
"Opeth owes me..." What a load of rubbish! As if you were giving money to beggars! Well, they are not beggars and they don't need your money. The problem is you're to selfish and egoist (which is aout the same) to admit you fucking like Opeth!! Admit it! When you bought an Opeth t-shirt, you did it because you liked it and at the moment you saw it, you felt like possessing it, egoist! When you buy CDs you do it in the hope you will like them, they will give you pleasure, you think of yourself only! or do you really think you belong to a charity kind enough to support a non-mainstream death metal band? C'mon, let's be more honest and less shit-headed.
Don't buy things you don't like. I didn't buy a tin edition. I think it's stupid and doesn't appeal to me... I don't go giving "alms." I'm too selfish!
Don't buy things you don't like. I didn't buy a tin edition. I think it's stupid and doesn't appeal to me... I don't go giving "alms." I'm too selfish!
themooseisloose
synchronized they operate
This post was prophetic in a way. Now one of the Martin's has had a nervous brakedown or something. To much touring and travel, end of discussion. No use in discussing someones bullshit on the internet. Ive been worried about Opeth's touring schedule for a while now. For one reason only. It will have a negative effect on their future NEW releases. Look what metallica has done since the black album excessive touring, they toured for almost 3 years for that album and now they are shit. Hell Elvis Presley basically toured himself to death.
themooseisloose
synchronized they operate
icedsymphony said:
i agree
opeth has pretty much had a show 1 out of every 3 nights of the previous year, and on top of that, there's the travelling involved, in store appearences they might make, writing new material, etc etc
i heard they like sleeping too, i can imagine they like to do that whenever they get the rare chance too.
let us PRAY that they don't tour themselves to shit like metallica... shit is an understatement for the current state of metallica, and we should hope it never happens to opeth
KielbasaSausage
YARRRRG
yep - people here have too much negative things to say. its like a bitch that never forgets the little mistakes you have done in the past and refuses to bring up all the positive things.
oh and to make Niel's "90% metalheads" statement even more realistic: "90% of all people are fucking stupid.
oh and to make Niel's "90% metalheads" statement even more realistic: "90% of all people are fucking stupid.
themooseisloose
synchronized they operate
I'm sorry, i didn't realise this board was for arse-lickers only. where do you suggest we go if we have something negative to say?
As a fan of Opeth, i have every right to voice my opinion on matters like the band sucking up to the label, Mikael being more interesed in working with his hero than making an opeth album for the people that pay his wages, why don't you give us a break.
and as for this "Opeth are the best band in existance, and there is noone that is better than them" attitude that MOST opeth fans i've come accross have had, and indeed quite a few posts in this thread hint at...you are morons. There are band out there that you will never even hear of that piss all over opeth. so grow up and have a wee look out the window, the world ain't all that big.
i'd swear some of you people only listened to opeth as far as metal goes, in fact i know people like that, i'ts just sad.
As a fan of Opeth, i have every right to voice my opinion on matters like the band sucking up to the label, Mikael being more interesed in working with his hero than making an opeth album for the people that pay his wages, why don't you give us a break.
and as for this "Opeth are the best band in existance, and there is noone that is better than them" attitude that MOST opeth fans i've come accross have had, and indeed quite a few posts in this thread hint at...you are morons. There are band out there that you will never even hear of that piss all over opeth. so grow up and have a wee look out the window, the world ain't all that big.
i'd swear some of you people only listened to opeth as far as metal goes, in fact i know people like that, i'ts just sad.
@ Kevy:
Dude. Get over yourself. Give you a break from what? Bitching and complaining?
Grow up? When you were 7 years old, I was already going to shows. And seeing bands that you've never even heard of nor will ever get a chance to see play.
Obviously, you're still sucking on your mom's tit if you think that some band who wouldn't even care if you bought anything from them owes you something. Sooner or later you'll learn that's not how the real world works. No one owes you shit.
Why is it that everytime someone praises them, they're seen as fanboys and "arselickers", but some jackass like you can be totally rude and feel like your attitude is totally warranted.
Anyway, it's not that anyone is criticizing them, it's the rude and obnoxious way in which it's done (case in point...your above post). See, there's this thing called constructive criticism and one of the rules of constructive criticism is "Get the facts straight. Make sure the criticism is warranted." You may want to remember that...
Dude. Get over yourself. Give you a break from what? Bitching and complaining?
Grow up? When you were 7 years old, I was already going to shows. And seeing bands that you've never even heard of nor will ever get a chance to see play.
Obviously, you're still sucking on your mom's tit if you think that some band who wouldn't even care if you bought anything from them owes you something. Sooner or later you'll learn that's not how the real world works. No one owes you shit.
Why is it that everytime someone praises them, they're seen as fanboys and "arselickers", but some jackass like you can be totally rude and feel like your attitude is totally warranted.
Anyway, it's not that anyone is criticizing them, it's the rude and obnoxious way in which it's done (case in point...your above post). See, there's this thing called constructive criticism and one of the rules of constructive criticism is "Get the facts straight. Make sure the criticism is warranted." You may want to remember that...
Rejvk said:
sounds like a quid pro quo agreement to me.
didn't i say that they work hard? i think i did. i also refuted their motives. are they working purely altruistically? are they going to the studio so a bunch of internet geeks will like them and their music? i doubt it. its more plausible that they make music for themselves.
the point about work was directed at merchandising t-shirts. how much does it cost per t-shirt for the band? 5 dollars? i'd say less. it certainly takes less work than making an album. you simply send your cover art to a t-shirt printing company, anyone can do that. they sell for all of 20 dollars. it seems like more of an investment in the band than anything else.
Demoke said:
i don't understand how you came to these conclusions at all. i've observed that when people buy band t-shirts, they overwhelmingly do so because they like the band.
hypothetical scenario: let us say that opeth never existed. and you walk into sears and see a t-shirt with the cover art to blackwater park on it. would you pay 20 dollars for it?
opeth are a good band. unfortunately i fear they are going the way of sepultura, where i will be forced to conjugate my verb into "opeth were a good band". didn't opeth say that they would never put out an album without death metal growling? didn't opeth say they would never put out an album with crappy songs on it? how am i but a man who is calling opeth to live up to their own words. their putting out some suckass releases, and i feel i have the right to voice my opinion as to the direction they are taking, just as metallica fans from the 80's have a right to express their greivances with numetallica.
