God connection

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I don't know why Iam starting this thread but I for myself don't believe in 'God'. I don't believe in this god how Religion is defining him that he 'sees everything' or is punishing everyone for their unholy deeds or bullshit like that.
It's really a hard question cause we actually don't know what is after death, so I think maybe it is more of a spiritual energy that we cannot explain.
The idea of this thread came cause there was a nonmedical practitioner was telling me that I would have a 'strong connection to God' and as I first heard it I thought that is totally bullshit but now Iam not so sure if there are human beings who have a better 'Connection' to god than others..
I don't mean bhuddistic monks or anything like that but
normal people, just in a spiritual way..
 
I havent been a believer since around 12 years of age. I do find it interesting that most all civilizations had some form of spiritual beliefs even in the earlier times of isolation.

In regards to some having a stronger connection, my sister has been quite religious since college and claims God has spoken to her, not necessarily in voice, I cant speak for her on that. I avoid all conversations on the matter at all costs. But outside of the usual sibling crap I have never found her to be wacky, shes intelligent and has been very successful in her life and made no bad decisions, which is something I have no claim to.
 
Spirituality is a decision. I personally am not religious, but spirituality has yet to completely drive me away. I don't believe that religious/spiritual people should try and force their beliefs on others, but neither do I believe that agnostic or atheistic people have that right. Put quite simply, there is no proof either way. I admit that I personally tend to see a belief in god and spirituality as irrational. However, what is there to prevent such a belief? I'm not convinced, but I don't feel I have the right to look down on those who are. If anything, I'm just happy that they've found something to believe in.

I personally don't believe there is a God in the form of the Christian entity, as many believe. I don't see God as that. That entire notion of God is a logical impossibility. It's merely a character created for a certain mythos, meant to stand for certain ideals; nothing more.
 
I also don't like to talk about that topic so much cause
I never believed in god and I just went to church if it was necessary (school event or something like that..).
I also never prayed to god or religious in any way.
Though thereare people who still believe in god but in another way than the church is defining it.
I also saw a documentary about Exorcism which was very interesting that a girl was possessed by demons and shit like that and for the psychologist it was really hard to explain if
that was a psychical desease or paranoia or that this was factual. It's a german Tv show called 'Gallileo' btw ;)
That's also a kind of a more sensibility for spirituality in my opinion.

Iam glad I don't belong to both groups :)
 
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+1. I believe a God could exist, just not in the Judaic form. There could be some outside being that could manipulate the laws of our universe. We just don't know for sure. I refuse to think about this, 3 years of it and I know that I do not know for sure.
 
A lot of non-religious people consider themselves to be very spiritual. I am not like that. I don't believe in anything remotely mystical. I assume it's all just chemicals in our brains. I don't think I'm smarter or better than religious people; I just believe what "makes sense to me" like they do. The best scientists at one point thought rats generated out of oily rags, so I don't take it for granted that anyone alive knows shit about anything. Maybe it makes sense today, but it might be "proven" wrong tomorrow. I think science will progress and show more and more how everything we experience is dictated by chemicals in our bodies, but for all I know it will go in the opposite direction.

Every time I take a drug like LSD or Salvia I hope that I can meet God but it never happens. I don't think I'll ever have any kind of connection with "God", fictional or not.

If God happens to exist in a stereotypical way as found in any of the major faiths (against all logic, a'course) I'm confident I'll be able to reason with Him. That is to say, I can't imagine that he would be mad at me for my countless blasphemies and rejection of his church (whichever one happens to be the right one). Every different religion claims to have the true word of God. From an objective standpoint I don't think there's any good argument to be made that any particular religion is any more worthy of being followed than any of the rest, if not in totality then at least in regards to the 4 or 5 major religions.
 
I personally agree with Einherjar and Tyrael. I do not beleive in a religion but there is no proof on either side. For all we know there could be a god because somethings can't always be explained by science, but that just might me my childhood years of forced catholism speaking.
 
believing in god dosent ahave to do with religion really,i believe in him but im christian (a life style, not a religion) if ur confused, go ahead and read the entire bible, give it a chance, just read it. its a great book and it will change ur life
 
I don't know why Iam starting this thread but I for myself don't believe in 'God'. I don't believe in this god how Religion is defining him that he 'sees everything' or is punishing everyone for their unholy deeds or bullshit like that.
It's really a hard question cause we actually don't know what is after death, so I think maybe it is more of a spiritual energy that we cannot explain.
The idea of this thread came cause there was a nonmedical practitioner was telling me that I would have a 'strong connection to God' and as I first heard it I thought that is totally bullshit but now Iam not so sure if there are human beings who have a better 'Connection' to god than others..
I don't mean bhuddistic monks or anything like that but
normal people, just in a spiritual way..
"God" exists because random people need him to exist, i remember once someone on another forum say that "religion is the wheelchair of the crippled mind" this makes sense to me, i think this is why religion even exists
 
This is all based on one's faith. Faith is "The belief in an intangible, not being able to touch or see, but knowing it is present." People who say, "religion is the wheel-chair of the crippled mind" have never followed God's laws. To live as a true Christian in this world requires great dedication and courage. One with a crippled mind could not achieve that. I agree with "spirituality is a decision." However, it's not that simple, It's like sitting in a white room and saying the walls are white. We are all in one way or another spiritual. Our lives are a spiritual journey to achieve spiritual maturity. We then transition through death, to whatever realm of spiritual maturity we accomplish in this existence. That's what I believe, and I do believe there is a higher power(Divine God) and spirits who will guide us. The greatest gift from God for me, is the gift of "free will." You are not forced, tricked or cajoled into following Christ. The "decision" is yours. I certainly understand why people don't believe in a true God. The bible is filled with many inaccuracies, but remember, this book is an interpretation of God's word by man 2,000 years ago. This is all based on FAITH. "Death is a door, Death not ends it." I'm not trying to convert anyone, just merely expressing my belief system. But, I find it sad when someone says, "when we die we all just rot and become worm food". That to me is the tragedy.
 
I think that believing in God and expecting and wanting everything from him blocks the ability to think.Just think about it,if you are religious and believe in God,you are forced to believe that everything was created by him.You cannot think otherwise because then you become a blasphemer.You have
to go to a place every sunday,listen to some bullshit that was written by a guy who had a really good imagination.I mean look at the wars,the killing for religion and all the useless shit that people argue about which religion is the most correct one.Do you think that religion was born for this?Maybe,but I think that if there is a God,he wouldn't have allowed these to happen.God is too ignorant to exist.
 
the selfish greed in man is what all wars have been about, any given religion or faith or gods was used as a mask to warrant aggressive behavior

people need to get their heads out of their ass on that one, native Americans were waring, had slaves, performed torture, the Inuit were drivin to the far reaches of the north because they were small in structure and peacefully compliant, waring African tribes, Mongols, northern European tribes, ect, ect, NONE of which had anything to do with religion or use of such mask

The "Holy Wars" were about ownership of a specific piece of real estate, nothing more, just like all other wars throughout mankind history. Selfish greed... period!
 
When I was christian, I was in this constant fear that god was angry at me or that I wouldn't go to heaven, and when I did something supposedly wrong, no matter how innocent it was, I would pray to god for forgiveness. My opinion is that religion, no, fuck that, christianity is forced upon young, undeveloped minds who are confused, they are raised up to believe in god, but you know what, I bet there would be at least 50% less christians in this world if they would wait until they were adults to stress them with this. I think it's very evil to force a child to believe in some god, yes, god, I'm not going to give "him" the pleasure of having a capital letter, because it goes against the english language, since god isn't a name, just a term to describe a deity, a being with supernatural powers. Anyway, if you think about it, how could some god create the earth? Hmm? How was he created? How do you know Jesus wasn't crazy? I bet that if Jesus was born today, no one would believe him about this god thing, 2000 years ago, people were ignorant and gullible, of course they are going to believe him.
 
When I was christian, I was in this constant fear that god was angry at me or that I wouldn't go to heaven, and when I did something supposedly wrong, no matter how innocent it was, I would pray to god for forgiveness. My opinion is that religion, no, fuck that, christianity is forced upon young, undeveloped minds who are confused, they are raised up to believe in god, but you know what, I bet there would be at least 50% less christians in this world if they would wait until they were adults to stress them with this. I think it's very evil to force a child to believe in some god, yes, god, I'm not going to give "him" the pleasure of having a capital letter, because it goes against the english language, since god isn't a name, just a term to describe a deity, a being with supernatural powers. Anyway, if you think about it, how could some god create the earth? Hmm? How was he created? How do you know Jesus wasn't crazy? I bet that if Jesus was born today, no one would believe him about this god thing, 2000 years ago, people were ignorant and gullible, of course they are going to believe him.

+1.Humanity has always been manipulated by some higher powers.I will not blind myself with the fear of a deity who has(allegedly)created the universe.I mean,seriously then what is the fucking point of enjoying life if you keep hearing and fearing about a deity that is so powerful that it could do anything?Why would I want to limit myself?
 
Now that there is no God, you're free not to waste another moment. A gift if you will from a God that never was.

As an alternative, I would say nurture a connection to nature instead. It's beautiful, it's tragic, it's complete. It's what you grew out of, it's who you are this moment, and it's what you'll become for the rest of eternity.
 
well I see there are different definitions of 'God' that has nothing to do with Religion in any way. I really believe that there must be a 'higher power' but don't believe that is someone like 'God'. I think it's more a kind of 'energy' or something like that. And that's maybe what the Nonmedical Practicioner meant as he was saying that I have this connection to a kind of 'Power' we cannot explain..
All that surrounds us is anyhow supplied by Energy and I think that god is a kind of similar energy. So that is what I can imagine - just my opinion I know it sounds like shit ;)
 
I've never had faith in God, and after reading this article, I've pretty much just lost faith in humanity as well :(

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26272687

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God vs. doctor: 1 in 2 say prayer saves the dying
20 percent of docs also say God can reverse terminal prognosis, study finds

When it comes to saving lives, God trumps doctors for many Americans.

An eye-opening survey reveals widespread belief that divine intervention can revive dying patients. And, researchers said, doctors "need to be prepared to deal with families who are waiting for a miracle."

More than half of randomly surveyed adults — 57 percent — said God's intervention could save a family member even if physicians declared treatment would be futile. And nearly three-quarters said patients have a right to demand such treatment.

When asked to imagine their own relatives being gravely ill or injured, nearly 20 percent of doctors and other medical workers said God could reverse a hopeless outcome.

"Sensitivity to this belief will promote development of a trusting relationship" with patients and their families, according to researchers. That trust, they said, is needed to help doctors explain objective, overwhelming scientific evidence showing that continued treatment would be worthless.

Pat Loder, a Milford, Mich., woman whose two young children were killed in a 1991 car crash, said she clung to a belief that God would intervene when things looked hopeless.

"When you're a parent and you're standing over the body of your child who you think is dying ... you have to have that" belief, Loder said.

While doctors should be prepared to deal with those beliefs, they also shouldn't "sugarcoat" the truth about a patient's condition, Loder said.

Being honest in a sensitive way helps family members make excruciating decisions about whether to let dying patients linger, or allow doctors to turn off life-prolonging equipment so that organs can be donated, Loder said.

Loder was driving when a speeding motorcycle slammed into the family's car. Both children were rushed unconscious to hospitals, and Loder says she believes doctors did everything they could. They were not able to revive her 5-year-old son; soon after her 8-year-old daughter was declared brain dead.

She said her beliefs about divine intervention have changed.

"I have become more of a realist," she said. "I know that none of us are immune from anything."

Loder was not involved in the survey, which appears in Monday's Archives of Surgery.

It involved 1,000 U.S. adults randomly selected to answer questions by telephone about their views on end-of-life medical care. They were surveyed in 2005, along with 774 doctors, nurses and other medical workers who responded to mailed questions.

Survey questions mostly dealt with untimely deaths from trauma such as accidents and violence. These deaths are often particularly tough on relatives because they are more unexpected than deaths from lingering illnesses such as cancer, and the patients tend to be younger.

Helping families come to terms
Dr. Lenworth Jacobs, a University of Connecticut surgery professor and trauma chief at Hartford Hospital, was the lead author.

He said trauma treatment advances have allowed patients who previously would have died at the scene to survive longer. That shift means hospital trauma specialists "are much more heavily engaged in the death process," he said.

Jacobs said he frequently meets people who think God will save their dying loved one and who want medical procedures to continue.

"You can't say, 'That's nonsense.' You have to respect that" and try to show them X-rays, CAT scans and other medical evidence indicating death is imminent, he said.

Relatives need to know that "it's not that you don't want a miracle to happen, it's just that is not going to happen today with this patient," he said.

Families occasionally persist and hospitals have gone to court seeking to stop medical treatment doctors believe is futile, but such cases are quite rare.

Dr. Michael Sise, trauma medical director at Scripps Mercy Hospital in San Diego, called the study "a great contribution" to one of the most intense issues doctors face.

Sise, a Catholic doctor working in a Catholic hospital, said miracles don't happen when medical evidence shows death is near.

"That's just not a realistic situation," he said.

Looking for a miracle
Sise recalled a teenager severely injured in a gang beating who died soon afterward at his hospital.

The mother "absolutely did not want to withdraw" medical equipment despite the severity of her child's brain injuries, which ensured she would never wake up, Sise said. "The mom was playing religious tapes in the room, and obviously was very focused on looking for a miracle."

Claudia McCormick, a nurse and trauma program director at Duke University Hospital, said she also has never seen that kind of miracle. But her niece's recovery after being hit by a boat while inner-tubing earlier this year came close.

The boat backed into her and its propeller "caught her in the side of the head. She had no pulse when they pulled her out of the water," McCormick said.

Doctors at the hospital where she was airlifted said "it really doesn't look good." And while it never reached the point where withdrawing lifesaving equipment was discussed, McCormick recalled one of her doctors saying later: '"God has plans for this child. I never thought she'd be here.'"

Like many hospitals, Duke uses a team approach to help relatives deal with dying trauma victims, enlisting social workers, grief counselors and chaplains to work with doctors and nurses.

If the family still says, "We just can't shut that machine off, then, you know what, we can't shut that machine off," McCormick said.

"Sometimes," she said, "you might have a family that's having a hard time and it might take another day, and that's OK."
EDIT: I guess I could also post this in the Ignorant America thread.