all_sins_undone
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society sucks, doesnt itillidurit said:I saw a guy with a bodom shirt today, wanted to sock him
Heavy Songs Without Growling?
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all_sins_undone
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House of Seance said:I know this thread has derailed but it's turned into a good discussion regardless, anyway:
-Mike Portnoy, from wikipedia.org
I was massively huge on Dream Theater some months ago... I think they, like Opeth, are good "gateways" so to speak, to the very wide progressive genre... Opeth will show you the emotion, versatality, and will ease a "metalhead" into appreciate the softer sides of music... whereas Dream Theater is just full of odd time signatures and very complex playing, as well as some cool sections with something following one time signature is on top of something else in another time signature... but after the "wow, that's awesome" of time signatures starts to wear off is when they start to sound like every other metal band... that's basically my personal story anyway, and then reading something like that quote ^ makes me go
couldn't agree with you more. the technicality "wears off" and i lost interest also in DT after a few weeks. opeth, on the other hand, has been my favorite band since i heard them and i still have yet to find such a powerful and inspiring band.
NFU
I like pie.
Scourge of Malice
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Dreadful
When Man& Machine Collide
holy shit...I just wrote the BIGGEST fucking post in the world and it all got deleted by that log in screen.
Heckelgruber
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NineFeetUnderground said:
They have been in decline for a long time I think. Most musical outfits seem to have a finite amount of first-rate creativity (if they have any at all) after which things seem to get more and more forced.
Sorry to all in general for derailing the thread, but it's been quite an interesting tangent to go off on.
affinityband
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Unfortunatley, dream theater do take away the emotion and exchange it for technicallity, maybe to impress people, or maybe they just enjoy it. Still life, probably being opeths most technical album actually is probably one of the most emotional for me. But then again, There are not many metal bands that can show emotion properly so dream theater isnt the only band that does the metal thing and generally doesnt make me feel anything. Either way il stay away from dream theater completely.
Ermz
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NFU said:
I think it all boils down to interests.
For instance I'm not a big book reader. The most interesting fiction book I've read is one called 'Speed of Darkness' which was based on the StarCraft universe for god's sake. I'm sure there are a ton of fiction novels out there heaps more insightful, emotionally evocative blah blah, but it would be totally wrong for an intense book reader to criticize my lack of 'good taste' simply because my interests don't lie in books.
It's the same with music. The reason that the top 40 pop shit is so... well, popular, is because people generally listen to music in passing. They don't have the same passion and understanding of music that you, or others may have. I think that's something that you really have to get over. I've honestly always thought the problem has been with the ones that criticize, not the ones that are criticized.
If people want to listen to music for strictly novelty value, then that's entirely their perogative. Attacking them for excercising their own free will only makes the attacker look like the antagonist.
NFU
I like pie.
I dont have to "get over it"...theyre far more upset about my opinion of them than i am of theirs of me.
Dreadful
When Man& Machine Collide
my deleted post went into great detail...but dream theater imo is a band that displays the important 3 attributes joey listed. Emotion, honesty, sincerity. All of those are in their songs, genuinely. Whatever they feel...it comes out in the writing of the song. They get pretty technical and virtuoso (sometimes people exagerate them to be mahavishnu orchestra x 10) ...they're influenced by Rush, Yes, Metallica and 80s metal virtuoso guitar, they're that type of band. Solitary shell, goodnight kiss, walk beside you, lifting shadows from a dream, hollow years, peruvian skies, through her eyes are some examples of creatively yet memorable soulful songs they've written. Sorry they're not 70s enough, akerfeldt enough, grutle enough, late 90s/2000 indie prog enough, or elitist enough to appeal to your closed minded, immature thoughts about the band. They're just a band that people enjoy. That's all that matters for any listener...entertainment, happiness, fulfillment. Even the band they're listening to is As I lay dying or slipknot. If they like it, they like it.
it's not like dream theater were talking shit about anyone anyway...I recall in a guitar one magazine 3 years ago with Petrucci and the guys from Queensryche. Petrucci was the only one to comment on Opeth and Porcupine Tree being great musicians.
it's not like dream theater were talking shit about anyone anyway...I recall in a guitar one magazine 3 years ago with Petrucci and the guys from Queensryche. Petrucci was the only one to comment on Opeth and Porcupine Tree being great musicians.
Dreadful
When Man& Machine Collide
Moonlapse said:
exactly. All these years I've been on here, I've seen you give the most mature, adult look on everything.
Seance
Still Writes in Crayon
Moonlapse said:
didn't Zappa say something along the lines of "my music should be listened to while washing the dishes"? there we go, these "in passing" masses should buy and discuss Zappa
oh wait, Zappa's music isn't about malls, cars, ho's, how badass he is, how famous he is, and what shoes he's sportin'
oh well it seemed like a good idea for a minute
Ermz
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NineFeetUnderground said:
What their opinions mean to you and vice versa is irrelevant to the issue at hand. What I'm getting at is that there's no rationale to what you commonly do. It's akin to the endless dog chasing its tail routine.
Say everyone has their own specialty field. If we were all to call each other half-wits on account of our lack of knowledge in respective fields, discussion forums would be an endless warzone.
The reason this bothers me so much is because this 'holier-than-thou' approach to posting really detriments this forum. Even 'by-standers' get sucked into the flurry of verbal combat and before you know it, everything revolves around people flaming each other.
NFU
I like pie.
Well, as the established infant of the forum then, i can still state that from an album to album basis, dream theater has lost touch with what made them special. Has nothing to do with them sounding 70s or whatever else. I can say that i enjoy something from every genre of music. im the furthest thing from closeminded this board probably has...but dream theater is just 2 viagra short of giving me a musical hard-on. thats all i really have to say.
NFU
I like pie.
Moonlapse said:
is this not a metal forum? which is a music forum? thats a common ground. im not posting like i know everything on some medical message board.
Ermz
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Posting what you know about music is fine. That's not my problem at all. I think it's really admirable that you've opened up a lot of people to music that they may have otherwise never ventured into.
What I'm talking about is the critique that leads nowhere. The 'holier-than-thou' attitude. I could do a similar thing about production and keep nailing all the fans of the obscure, shit sounding older records for their tastes, but I'd just be a dick for doing that. It wouldn't really get anyone anywhere.
What I'm talking about is the critique that leads nowhere. The 'holier-than-thou' attitude. I could do a similar thing about production and keep nailing all the fans of the obscure, shit sounding older records for their tastes, but I'd just be a dick for doing that. It wouldn't really get anyone anywhere.
the opeth affinity
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holy shit, can you feel the love in here, ive had a girlfreind for years but after reading all this im feeling some homoerotic tendancies, yeeaahh!
(seriously though, interesting reading)
(seriously though, interesting reading)
the_3_toed_sloth
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Moonlapse said:
I wasn't going to bother posting, but i quite strongly disagree with you here moonie. Because I think it is on the contrary very apt for an 'intense book reader' to criticize you for reading such, well, drivel. What really is the point in even bringing up and talking about such things if you have nothing more constructive to say than 'it was just novelty enjoyment - i know it's crap'? Im a firm believer in the ability for something to be objectively better than another, and i do not think that you learn or get anywhere by a state of utter aloofness to quality.
If you brought up the subject of reading you could gain many recommendations, you could compare and contrast your own experiences, and you could enrich further experiences - you can discover reading. The same applies to music. Ive argued with nfu plenty - hell, i still love Ayreon - and i find that being forced to defend what i love brings me closer to it, forces me to evaluate and consider what makes it special. Occasionally (eg. Symphony X) thinking harder about music has made me realise it's superficiality; but at the same time has made me branch out towards new music. I say that this is ALWAYS a good thing. The 'passing listener' is someone who is missing out on a rich experience, and i disagree entirely with the idea that they have my approval as of right.
Seance
Still Writes in Crayon
the_3_toed_sloth said:
this is incredibly true, and not only true, it's also incredibly important, well said
I wouldn't visit this forum near as much if the endless debating and other important non-Opeth threads weren't here (e.g. the "70's prog" thread)... because it's interesting, as this thread also is, and I receive a lot of information I'm seeking and want in the end as well as gain new perspectives and ways to look at things, that's what personally matters to me