He's not dead... yet.

[Susperia]

I don't care if they think they're doing it for the experience, its' when they tell me I can't have an opinion on it, or know that it's "bad" because I haven't had the experience.

 

[neal]

Well what the fuck do you think it's for? Fucking street cred?

hahaha exactly

 

[swizzlenuts]

I don't care if they think they're doing it for the experience, its' when they tell me I can't have an opinion on it, or know that it's "bad" because I haven't had the experience.

 

[Conspicuously Absent]

NO SHIT IDIOT. I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL BE EASY, BUT I AM SAYING HE GOT HIMSELF INTO THIS SHIT AND HE HAS TO GET HIMSELF OUT!
I know how hard it is to quit something you feel you need to live.

Step 1: Admit you have a problem.

Fuck you, he's starting, and likely trying. I don't know any drug addicts, or drug addict stories of any credibility where they simply stopped cold turkey. There are always relapses, and it takes years to get free.

I'm not seeking conflict. All I wanted was him and everyone else to not ignore the fact he lied. And that he's most likely not going to get off of the heroin if he keeps about his usual tactics since it's failed so many times already.

Actually, with drug addictions, perseverance is important. Seeking Help (his friends in amsterdam, removed from the environment where he fell into it). Admitting to a problem.

Sure sounds like he's doing it right, other than to lock himself in a room and have one of those life and death detox adventures that are almost more harmful than not.

Cara's not seeing the difference between lying and failing to maintain a goal one has set out to do. It's not like Max wants to be addicted to heroin and just told everyone he was going to Amsterdam to help get over his addiction so everyone would get off of his ass on an internet forum. He, at the time, obviously really intended to do his best to kick the habit as much as possible. Failing to do so is not lying. In fact, it's pretty stupid for somebody to even think that it was lying. You don't have to hate people addicted to drugs in order to hate drugs and what they do to people, you know. Of course, not all drug addicts are worthy of sympathy (some would say most, and I'm not in a position to argue), but that doesn't mean that all drug addicts (and addicts of any sort) are all worthless human beings and everything is all their fault.

good post. +984987987987 points.

I don't care if they think they're doing it for the experience, its' when they tell me I can't have an opinion on it, or know that it's "bad" because I haven't had the experience.

Yes, but it doesn't give you the right to lash out at somebody admitting their problem to their friends. It also means you truly don't understand what they are going through. I don't either, but I admit this fact.

Yes its bad. Yes its gross. But you don't know shit about his life or what caused him to turn to drugs in the first place. I also don't know shit about your life, though through your excessive personal life story posting, and that of RiA, I know more than I want to.

And thats enough responding to you, I've said my piece. The best tactic to deal with you is to ignore you.

 

[Susperia]

I don't post any more shit about my personal life than any other person here--- other than my art. And yeah, that's personal, and you can easily know "more than you want to" by seeing that, but you still don't know shit.

And again, I wasn't seeking conflict until he chose to insult me. When I said it was "funny" that he had lied and no one was acknowleding it, I was trying to be lighthearted about it and just point it out because no one else was. Also---I know drug addicts lie, I know it's not always an "intentional lie", however, being addicted to drugs doesn't give you the excuse to constantly break the promise of getting clean---And if you're relapsing THIS many times, it's hard to take any sort of promise seriously, at least for me it would be. Also, it was "funny" because of how butthurt and angry he got when his friends assumed (rightly) that he'd fall back into drugs----like he was so above it and how dare they think he doesn't have that kind of willpower. Quite frankly it's obvious he doesn't.

Again I'm not saying it's by any means "easy" to withdraw from drugs. I know it isn't. But when you've promised and repromised and tried again and again and again at least admit that you've fucking lied and then go from there.

And I don't give a shit what kind of "excuse" he had to get into heroin. There is no excuse. Just a mistake. he made a huge mistake, and now he's paying for it. I hope someday he'll get himself out of it, and that he'll be a little more honest with not only himself but with others as well.

 

[Demilich]

Susperia, get this through your thick skull: Failing at something you've promised to do and tried doesn't make you a liar.

 

[Conspicuously Absent]

Susperia, get this through your thick skull: Failing at something you've promised to do and tried doesn't make you a liar.

QFT.

 

[En Vind Av Sorg]

Again I'm not saying it's by any means "easy" to withdraw from drugs. I know it isn't. But when you've promised and repromised and tried again and again and again at least admit that you've fucking lied and then go from there.

Read his initial post again, he addressed this.

 

[skeptik]

I don't post any more shit about my personal life than any other person here--- other than my art. And yeah, that's personal, and you can easily know "more than you want to" by seeing that, but you still don't know shit.

And again, I wasn't seeking conflict until he chose to insult me. When I said it was "funny" that he had lied and no one was acknowleding it, I was trying to be lighthearted about it and just point it out because no one else was. Also---I know drug addicts lie, I know it's not always an "intentional lie", however, being addicted to drugs doesn't give you the excuse to constantly break the promise of getting clean---And if you're relapsing THIS many times, it's hard to take any sort of promise seriously, at least for me it would be. Also, it was "funny" because of how butthurt and angry he got when his friends assumed (rightly) that he'd fall back into drugs----like he was so above it and how dare they think he doesn't have that kind of willpower. Quite frankly it's obvious he doesn't.

Again I'm not saying it's by any means "easy" to withdraw from drugs. I know it isn't. But when you've promised and repromised and tried again and again and again at least admit that you've fucking lied and then go from there.

And I don't give a shit what kind of "excuse" he had to get into heroin. There is no excuse. Just a mistake. he made a huge mistake, and now he's paying for it. I hope someday he'll get himself out of it, and that he'll be a little more honest with not only himself but with others as well.

 

[Conspicuously Absent]

Random googling found this page... seems to fit.

http://www.truechristian.com/mostwanted.html

DUH YOU STUPID LIBERALS!! IT'S ALL IN THE BIBLE!! WAKE UP YOU THICK HEADED MORANS!!

LOLZ.

 

[Reign in Acai]

Max is taking full blame for his fucked up decisions and that's commendable. My mother was in an out of prison her whole life due to crimes related to heroine (theft, possession, parole violations, hit & run) too many to recall quite frankly. One fateful evening when I was 12 or so, the F.B.I busts down our door in search of my mother and her deadbeat cholo boyfriend who so happens to be the sperm donor to my half brother. Well they were nestled away safely in the attic of the garage, and would have lived to see another day of freedom if I had not confidentially spilled the beans to their hiding space. Bam hasta luego for another couple of years. I truly despised everything heroine had made this person, and dreaded the day of her release date. Note - She's been clean for over 11 yrs and quit when she found out she was pregnant. To her credit, she never wanted to physiologically fuck up her children by doing drugs while in gestation. Hence, my brother basically was the beacon of light that told her to nut up and stop being such a selfish fucking prick. And that is what this drug does to you, it makes you a selfish scalawag towards everyone who has an ounce of love for you.

I have so many fucking stories I can go in to detail with that I can write my own novel. 8 years old and left in the middle of gang territory while your mother passes out in a gutter unconscious after scoring. Knife fights in the living room, bricks being thrown through your window to follow. Witnessing your mother beat the shit out of your 80 yr old grandfather who suffers from emphysema to get some money to score a dime. I remember having an nes and snes for a brief spell, until they were pawned. (A million other loathsome tales) Wonderful life for a kid growing up, I'll tells ye.

And people always look at me weird when I tell them that I've never touched recreational drugs. The high is fleeting, the craving is never ending. Cara D may be a raging bitch, but her attitude may stem from childhood stories of wayward relatives like my very own. None of the coddling offered on a message board is going to help an addict reform, the recovery needs to come from with in. It appears that Max realizes this, so good on him, and I truly wish him the very best.

Get well.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

damn jerry that's rough shit. good to hear you're breaking the cycle cuz more often than not people who grow up in that kinda fucked-up situation turn around and repeat it later in life.

there is not a word in the english language strong enough to apply to susperia, so i'll have to make do with You are a raging cunt slutbag, choke on dick you cock-chugging bitch

 

[lurch70]

damn Jerry ... that's some story. and I always think I heard it and lived it all ... bah ... life is a cruel joke sometimes.

and Susperia ... now I see the other thing you guys always complained about ... how she posts something and turns a thread to be about her ... its obvious here and in the Ken started "woman" thread ... pfff

 

[Susperia]

Ctuluisdgaiuaiough: Your ignorance is astonishing.

However I agree with you that I'm glad Jerry W. is not repeating his mother's past. Although I'm not entirely sure whether I should believe his story or not.

Lurch: I didn't intend the thread to be about me, nor do I see how it's about me other than that you guys are complaining about me. The thread about "women" was bullshit joke thread anyway who fucking cares about that. You guys are so sensitive!!

Edit: I don't think the fact that just because I don't agree with the majority here that I should be blamed for making the thread "about me". That wasn't my intention. At all.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

Ctuluisdgaiuaiough: Your ignorance is astonishing.

ah, hypocrisy. (see also: every post susperia has made in this thread)

 

[swizzlenuts]

Ctuluisdgaiuaiough

Cthulufhtagn! Not knowing that is such an injustice to HPL!

 

[MetalAges]

Well, I was going to clean up this thread but see the post I would have focused on has been replied to many times.

That said, I don't know you Max, but I can still hope for the best for you dude. Looks like you have some friends on here and I am sure elsewhere, so tap into that for help as needed. Much easier than going it alone if you have support (the GOOD kind of support).

For those that need this to be said, let's keep the thread positive for Max from this post on, eh?

 

[Reign in Acai]

However I agree with you that I'm glad Jerry W. is not repeating his mother's past. Although I'm not entirely sure whether I should believe his story or not.

I'm not asking for you to believe me you scuz. Every time you open up your mouth you can smell half of Connecticut. But how you inflate the ego that was wrenched by being born titless and witless is no concern to me. I'm merely opening up and telling everyone my personal experience with junkies, as I have seen the lives of dozens gone to shit due to drugs. I'm not here to seek pity over happenings that occurred well over 12 years ago, kapish?!

A couple more tidbits, while I'm in an open mood.
My grandfather nearly lost his life to one of my mother's shroomhead friends when he attempted to get her out of his vehicle and was subsequently ran over and drug 40 feet. My Uncle who was my primary male role model growing up was also a heroine addict. He died in 98 due to liver failure brought on by alcoholism and heroine use. My father was locked away for the majority of my upbringing, for burglary, drug possession, and other petty negarly shit.


I used to spend many a night at friends houses, and dreaded the hour in which it was time to return home. To return to a home where neighborhood druggies who didn't have a connection themselves, would come seek out my uncle to get high, while offering a small 20cc percentage in return. Most of these people are now dead, or on the street, toothlessly pan-handling for their next fix. Lovely lovely stuff I tell ye.

Nevertheless, I don't look back at any of it with resentment. You either nut up, or leave the hall. Positive reinforcement made by a bad example.

 

[lurch70]

born titless and witless

I feel shitty that what you write about is something you had to go through, but your way with words make it oh so vivid.
Jerry ... you write your memoir, I'll shoot the damn thing ... its about time I used my media arts degree for something.

 

[Demilich]

Shit Jerry, I'd heard bits and pieces of the tale of your mother's tribulations but had no idea how extensive it was. Considering, I think you're doing great! You have a place of residence, a job, friends, a razor-sharp wit and way with words, and you're a kind and generous person to your fellow caucasian.

I know Max can get over this shit. He is too young and has too much potential.