If Mort Divine ruled the world

[CiG]

The state should not have a monopoly on force, I don't think this is such an unreasonable idea.

 

[SentinelSlain]

If you don't trust the average person not to shoot you for no reason, how do you manage to exist outside of a barricaded fortress anyway.

 

[CiG]

It's quite ironic that Americans want to turn their country into the country they fled from and rebelled against.

 

[rms]

Eh that's a bad analogy. No troops are getting quartered and there's plenty of representation, even if that's gone to shit with Citizens United.

 

[viewerfromnihil]

*Dumb analogy.

For the most part, I support the interpretation of the second amendment that reserves the right of individuals to own firearms--an interpretation which hadn't come about until 20th century SCOTUS. However, regulation is well within the power of the federal government. Hence the fact that they legally can ban so called assault weapons, but they, assault rifles, are simply not the problem. Handguns, pistols in particular, are the problem when it comes to abetting factors of gun violence in this country. The answer is pretty simple. And yes, @Matt , I've fired them both--an AR-15 included, nonetheless. Sure, rifles are more accurate can better facilitate some aspects of a mass shooting. But mass shootings and rifles/shotguns aren't what's causing most of the gun violence in the country. With regard to mass shootings and rifles, get rid of high capacity magazines. It's not that hard.

Also, I hate to pull a standard gun-fanatic tactic, but this is very similar to the AR-15, except for appearance, and it is not considered an assault rifle:

 

[CiG]

Why is the weapon of choice the problem and not the specific traits the individuals tend to share? Do we seriously think that if guns were completely and utterly removed from American society, these same individuals would just not commit murder?

Not having guns didn't stop Aum Shinrikyo's cult from terrorising the public, bombs are illegal but does that stop suicide bombers and abortion clinic bombers? All it does is penalise the lawful populace, criminals don't care about laws by the very definition of their criminal behaviour.

 

[viewerfromnihil]

If what you said was directed toward me, then obviously you didn't read what I said.

 

[CiG]

Handguns, pistols in particular, are the problem when it comes to abetting factors of gun violence in this country. The answer is pretty simple.

I believe I read what you wrote well enough.

 

[Dak]

I don't know how you effectively ban hicap mags. If "ghost guns" are already a "problem", what are you going to do to stop access to a chamber with a spring? The only people even remotely worried about the legality of a hicap mag would be that very rare slice of the population who both A. Have "hicap" mags, and B. Are so worried about any possible negative info on their record they would turn them in/refuse to acquire/make them. That rare slice also pretty much won't overlap with any violent criminal populations.

Gun control beyond maybe a more comprehensive background check is a fools errand, as it relates to crime anyway. Background checks aren't even gun control, it's people control - and people are the problem, not the guns.

 

[King Richard]

Yeah, but that's a faulty argument you guys. Just because it's not the root cause doesn't mean you allow that to continue to exist. It is a problem, something that needs to be dealt with while continuing to put in place a more stringent process for obtaining and maintaining the right to own a firearm.

 

[Dak]

Yeah, but that's a faulty argument you guys. Just because it's not the root cause doesn't mean you allow that to continue to exist. It is a problem, something that needs to be dealt with while continuing to put in place a more stringent process for obtaining and maintaining the right to own a firearm.

What is the faulty argument? What can't be allowed to continue to exist? What is the problem? The existence of guns? The existence of guns in private hands? The existence of guns in criminal hands?

 

[King Richard]

Making the claim that because doing X doesn't net major results we shouldn't waste the time doing it. If problem X is in fact a problem, whether large or small in scale, you fix the problem regardless.

 

[rms]

If the problem is "Gun violence leads to too many deaths" - then that's a simple solution with a complicated reality.

If the problem then becomes "How do we stop violence(death)?" - then how do you fix it? Question 2 influences question 1 but that question isn't being answered, other than the faulty republican cries of mental health checks and whatnot.

 

[The Butt]

Death is metal.

Killing all falses, BASTARDS!!!

 

[arg]

Related: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/most-heavily-armed-states-in-america/

if terrorists/shooters attacked those states they're fucked

 

[Dak]

If someone invaded Wyoming they'd have to find a person first.

Violence is a multifaceted issue, and guns are a tangential factor. But they make for a noisy and obvious scapegoat. No one wants to actually fix the problem because that would be too complicated and messy. So blame der gunz.

 

[CiG]

Making the claim that because doing X doesn't net major results we shouldn't waste the time doing it. If problem X is in fact a problem, whether large or small in scale, you fix the problem regardless.

You've not once demonstrated that guns are the problem.

 

[CiG]

 

[Jimmy... Dead.]

where's the dislike feature

 

[rms]

yeah...why did I read that