If Mort Divine ruled the world

[Carpe Mortem]

More relevant. Decent flick.

 

[Matt]

If you don't enjoy risk and reward, sure, I guess it would sound retarded. But if that's the case why bother playing any poker at all? You're delusional if you think luck isn't the primary integer in a card game.

Black jack a little less so because you can do the easy math of how many cards are already laid out and what's left.

You are ass backwards, buddy.

Lol, hardly. That variant is just a watered down version that is just pure gambling. Real poker actually requires tons of skill. You've probably never played at a casino or for real money, because if you have you would understand how significant the skill factor plays into things. This is why there are many people who make a living playing it.

 

[Carpe Mortem]

There's reading people, doing math on what cards are left and what to exchange, and knowing how much to bet based on the betting habits of other players. A few other minor psychology and math tricks.

Then there's the entire rest of the fucking game which is you get a random card from a deck. Are you seriously disputing this?

 

[Carpe Mortem]

The main skill is knowing when and when not to fold. Which is primarily derived from the luck you've had with your hand and knowing if the pot's worth a loss.

 

[Dak]

If you don't enjoy risk and reward, sure, I guess it would sound retarded. But if that's the case why bother playing any poker at all? You're delusional if you think luck isn't the primary integer in a card game.

Black jack a little less so because you can do the easy math of how many cards are already laid out and what's left.

You are ass backwards, buddy.

Blackjack is pretty much the safest thing in the casino. You can't count cards with those new constant shuffle machines, and even the 8 deck shoes make that a waste. But there are simple betting strategies and knowing the basic odds that will have you ending up unless you just have a really bad shoe.

 

[Matt]

There's reading people, doing math on what cards are left and what to exchange, and knowing how much to bet based on the betting habits of other players. A few other minor psychology and math tricks.

Then there's the entire rest of the fucking game which is you get a random card from a deck. Are you seriously disputing this?

(I know this is seriously off topic, if needed you can move it to the hobbies thread or something Ozz)

You shouldn't talk about things you don't understand with such arrogance. You have a very basic understanding of the game, and are technically correct about a few things, but there are so many more layers of knowledge that you haven't learned yet. You also don't exchange cards in anything except some stud variants or pineapple.

Examples of things you need to master to be even close to profitable: using table position, bet sizing, continuation betting, bluffing / psuedo bluffing, blocker bets, post flop strategy, preflop strategy, stack size strategy, 3 betting, pot control, pot odds calculation, reading ability, aggression vs tight play, cash game vs tournament strategy, table image, deception, etc. Also, good players have defined overall strategies they use, such as TAG (tight aggressive), small ball, LAG (loose aggressive) and many others. And finally, the emotional and mental part of poker is huge. A lot of people play solidly until they get unlucky, and then they start playing badly. I struggle with that myself and it takes considerable effort and research to improve it.

Note that all of these things have nothing to do with the hand you are dealt. Just 'knowing when to fold' is lol worthy and I'd love to play with you at any stakes anytime. Most people sit down at the table without knowing any of these things, and you can get lucky occasionally but overall they lose 8/10 times.

 

[rms]

I've played a lot of cash games and you are really overstating the skill of the game. Position betting only matters if you're playing higher 'educated' players. But you can't win (make $) without good cards and vice versa. You can tell yourself you can bluff your way to victory, but it's not true. And that's cash games, don't get me started on tournaments.

BJ cannot be the 'safest' game in the casino..the deck amounts make it impossible to be consistent.

 

[Matt]

I've played thousands of hours of live cash games and had long periods where I didn't make a pair on the board for days, and still either broke even or made money. It's not impossible to do okay if you aren't getting cards, it's obviously a lot harder, and skill is important in those situations. Skill is also important when you are running good, as bad players often have trouble getting value with their good hands because they don't know how to play them and have to rely on coolering people. Tournaments are different due to the blind structures and stuff, yes. But it's still possible to maintain an average stack without getting good cards if you pick your spots right.

On blackjack; yeah, I've always thought it was crap how they use so many decks.

 

[Dak]

BJ cannot be the 'safest' game in the casino..the deck amounts make it impossible to be consistent.

http://aarontodd.casinocitytimes.com/article/top-10-lowest-house-edge-casino-bets-59118

2. Blackjack – House edge of 0.28%
Blackjack has the lowest house edge of any game in the casino, with a few caveats. The 0.28 percent house edge assumes the most liberal of house rules, including rarely seen rules such as the dealer standing on soft 17 and late surrender. To determine the exact house edge in the game you're playing visit the Wizard of Odds' Blackjack House Edge Calculator.

They are rarer now, but 2 or 3 deck tables exist, they just have much higher minimums. I never went in with a budget higher than $60 so I stayed at the $5 tables(which use more decks, etc). $100-150(plus my initial stake) was my target cashout and wasn't that hard to hit.

I actually won over $300 in an hour at one of those constant shuffling tables just by sheer luck at getting some mega split/double hands, but the house edge is much higher for those machines.

I'll repeat what I said before: proper play of Blackjack is easy and makes it a pretty safe game.

http://vegasclick.com/gambling/houseedge.html

The catch here is that if you don't play the proper strategy, the house edge is even higher.

A typical blackjack player probably plays at about a 2% disadvantage, not the 0.5% listed in the table which is for a player using basic strategy.

 

[Carpe Mortem]

Dude, you're obviously passionate for poker, yohoho. But to be honest all you're doing is using poker terminology to overanalyze a simple game. Research indicates it doesn't become a game of skill until ~500 hands. In other words, if you've played that many with someone, you know how they operate. That's not skill. Playing anything 500 times with someone is likely to give you an edge. I'm not saying there's no skill involved, but I would bet money that a drunk sorority chick has an equal chance of beating you as you her, because you can't read a drunk chick going off dumb luck.

Rms hit the nail on the head, you're overstating the complexity.

 

[Matt]

Dude, you're obviously passionate for poker, yohoho. But to be honest all you're doing is using poker terminology to overanalyze a simple game. Research indicates it doesn't become a game of skill until ~500 hands. In other words, if you've played that many with someone, you know how they operate. That's not skill. Playing anything 500 times with someone is likely to give you an edge. I'm not saying there's no skill involved, but I would bet money that a drunk sorority chick has an equal chance of beating you as you her, because you can't read a drunk chick going off dumb luck.

Rms hit the nail on the head, you're overstating the complexity.

Research indicates? What research? And ultimately it's simple for you and rms, but it's not simple for great players or professionals. If you can't tell what the drunk sorority girl has most of the time or at least put her on a solid range, you just suck. And not to be mean, but you probably are pretty bad since you think the game is so simple. Do your own research, you'll figure it out. Most bad players haven't taken the time to learn to truly learn the game which is why they don't have the results that others do.

 

[Carpe Mortem]

You can literally type into Google poker skill versus luck and pretty much every article emphasizes the fact luck is more dominant in earlier hands.

Except those written by butthurt enthusiasts such as yourself trying to justify a gambling addiction as calculated sport. Bet you know what the next winning lottery numbers are too, huh?

I'm not trying to be a dick either. I'm just saying you see poker through rose tinted glasses because you like it too much. Since we're taking the personal route here.

You know what card game skill triumphs luck? Fuckin euchre, spades, pinochle, etc. Games where you see what people have with rules in place for what's to be revealed.

 

[Carpe Mortem]

But really our conversation is so retarded neither of us deserve to play any card game ever again. And this will shame my family.

 

[Matt]

This is conversation is horrible, I agree. Let's stop

Edit: I just googled 'poker skill vs luck' and the results did not match what you said, btw.

 

[CiG]

 

[Carpe Mortem]

 

[viewerfromnihil]

 

[CiG]

Bitches get soaked when they see my professor Oak.

 

[rms]

The feminists have won

 

[CiG]

What's just so typical with TYT retards is that they're making their argument against men (supposedly it's only men kicking up a fuss I guess) rather than feminists who we all know WOULD make a big deal if the roles were reversed. If there are people reacting like they claim, it's because people have been so bombarded with feminist stories of sexism that they're now hypersensitive to double standards. Just a few decades ago, no man at all would give a fuck about a story like this.

It's just that now, people feel the need to point out examples that contradict feminist/feminist-esque views because they're taking over the whole damn world with it.